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NickB79

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14. Man, we are really trying hard to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, aren't we?

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 03:52 PM

Dec 2012

By "we", I mean the progressive/left/Democratic party.

Something like 100 million households in the US have guns. A large portion of those are Democrats as well as the stereotypical conservative population. Numerous polls over the years here on DU alone have shown that a large number of DU'ers own firearms and support the 2nd Amendment as an individual right, albeit with wide disagreement on how it's interpreted and implemented.

We're finally seeing the possibility that we've broken the stranglehold the GOP has had on this country since Reagan was elected. Obama was re-elected despite numerous problems that he inherited, and the tide felt like it was finally turning towards a more progressive way of politics in this country.

Has it occurred to anyone else just why Obama was virtually silent on gun control his entire first term? If he had tried to re-instate the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban then, his chances for re-election would have been stymied.

The political backlash against a push for an outright ban on gun ownership through repeal of the 2nd Amendment would be epic in scale. The NRA would have so much money pouring in, they wouldn't be able to spend it fast enough.

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Is there any movement to repeal the second ammendment? [View all] rurallib Dec 2012 OP

If it was, who would be the only people with guns ? orpupilofnature57 Dec 2012 #1

The same people who have them now Major Nikon Dec 2012 #16

Driving a car is a Privilege, owning a gun Should be the same,,,,Now . orpupilofnature57 Dec 2012 #18

It already is Major Nikon Dec 2012 #21

I agree entirely... CTyankee Dec 2012 #64

guns are not meant to overthrow governments in coup'd'etats. Tea party wants anarchy graham4anything Dec 2012 #26

The Tea party wants Antebellum . orpupilofnature57 Dec 2012 #44

If 2A were repealed, RKBA would be protected as an unenumerated right by the Ninth Amendment. nt jody Dec 2012 #2

First time I've seen this mentioned. Interesting. dkf Dec 2012 #3

Heller dissent by Stevens recognized RKBA for self-defense by PA(1776) & VT(1777). Constitution does jody Dec 2012 #5

I didn't get that out of the dissent Major Nikon Dec 2012 #17

Perhaps you and I brought different backgrounds when we read Steven's dissent. jody Dec 2012 #20

Try it with this part highlighted... Major Nikon Dec 2012 #25

OK but Stevens closed the door when he acknowledged RKBA as a pre-existing right. If not 2A then 9A. jody Dec 2012 #32

If the 9A argument is as strong as you claim, why didn't Scalia make it? Major Nikon Dec 2012 #35

Because Scalia asked a different question "We consider whether a District of Columbia prohibition jody Dec 2012 #36

Scalia didn't pose the question, nor could he Major Nikon Dec 2012 #39

Regardless Stevens in dissent acknowledged RKBA for self-defense. If not 2A then 9a. nt jody Dec 2012 #40

Are you just repeating this from some gun nut site? Major Nikon Dec 2012 #42

Link to my post below the day Heller was released. Sorry you are not capable of understanding the jody Dec 2012 #48

You're confusing understanding with caring Major Nikon Dec 2012 #49

Stevens and Ginsburg IIRC both argued that Recursion Dec 2012 #58

There should be. It has to be started in each state, too. treestar Dec 2012 #4

And it would take only thirteen states to stop it in its tracks. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #43

Before the states can vote on it, Jenoch Dec 2012 #57

True, so it's a tall order treestar Dec 2012 #61

See my post at the bottom of this thread. Jenoch Dec 2012 #63

silly H2O Man Dec 2012 #6

No, but there seems to be some movement to narrow the Fourteenth HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #7

Any group proposing to abolish an inalienable/unalienable right they hate, ignore unintended jody Dec 2012 #8

The 14th Amendment doesn't provide unalienable rights... HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #9

McDonald v Chicago, Second Amendment incorporated by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth jody Dec 2012 #10

I'm not a lawyer...so the language inalienable/unalienable is unfamiliar HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #11

I'm not a lawyer either. I understand and agree with your point. nt jody Dec 2012 #13

Not in my lifetime. ZombieMan Dec 2012 #12

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Zoeisright Dec 2012 #31

Man, we are really trying hard to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, aren't we? NickB79 Dec 2012 #14

Spot on. All purple states would swing back red. banned from Kos Dec 2012 #47

National Don't Wanna Get Shot By A Rifle Association. Help collect 4 million signatures Dems to Win Dec 2012 #15

18 signatures so far. -..__... Dec 2012 #22

Which states Romney won are we looking at to ratify it? cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #19

It's quite easy. Obama44 and Hillary45 name 4-5 new justices who will do that w/Bloomberg financing graham4anything Dec 2012 #27

You think the NRA's membership and income will stay static NickB79 Dec 2012 #33

this is such convoluted logic. The louder one speaks, the quicker they are gone graham4anything Dec 2012 #41

I like your thinking here, graham... CTyankee Dec 2012 #65

Is it even possible to repeal an amendment in the Bill of Rights? Mister Ed Dec 2012 #23

Yes, anything in the Constitution can be ammended. cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #24

Anything can be amended Recursion Dec 2012 #59

Possible, yes. Realistically, not a snowball's chance in hell (and I don't mean a town in Michigan). Angleae Dec 2012 #66

I think it should be left as it is. sellitman Dec 2012 #28

Yeah, good luck with that. Quantess Dec 2012 #29

I think it needs re-defining Evergreen Emerald Dec 2012 #30

You don't need to repeal it duffyduff Dec 2012 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author davidn3600 Dec 2012 #37

If 2A were repealed, RKBA would be protected as an unenumerated right by the Ninth Amendment. nt jody Dec 2012 #38

Isn't it odd that the gunnies are now using a different amendment, ha ha ha ha graham4anything Dec 2012 #45

"Now using"? Where have you been? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #50

Show me where on gun threads that was mentioned before this incident graham4anything Dec 2012 #52

Here you go, these are just the ones I could be arsed to find: friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #60

I thought we were talking about the 9th amendment and I thought only 1-10 are what graham4anything Dec 2012 #62

It's evident you thought wrongly, now isn't it? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #72

See link below posted 27 June 2008 jody Dec 2012 #71

Exactly Major Nikon Dec 2012 #46

Then-Senator Obama said it referred to an individual right in 2008, before Heller was decided Recursion Dec 2012 #67

we need to insist that it be interpreted properly and accurately samsingh Dec 2012 #51

Only by people who are as bugnut crazy as the other end of the spectrum of this debate Android3.14 Dec 2012 #53

We need a new Consitution in general, this one has become too damaged MightyMopar Dec 2012 #55

Awesome post Berserker Dec 2012 #68

It was never a problem until a few years ago Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #54

Remember what happened in the 1994 elections over the AWB? Jenoch Dec 2012 #56

I see that going less far than the ERA. eom TransitJohn Dec 2012 #69

Nearly all state constitutions also guarantee gun rights Shrek Dec 2012 #70