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91. Mitt Romney was a very weak candidate. ...

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 10:22 PM

Dec 2012

He was also a very rich person defending low taxes for the very rich.

During his political career Romney had been on every side of every issue at one time or another. It was impossible to know exactly what he stood for as he was a shape shifter.

I was actually surprised that the election was so close.

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Everyone saying the NRA "solution" won't work because Columbine had armed gaurds too... [View all] OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 OP

I know! Let's do what the countries with low gun death rates do!!!! nt valerief Dec 2012 #1

Yes, look at England. They would make a great model. Walk away Dec 2012 #11

Whats the problem with buying ammo online? Travis_0004 Dec 2012 #45

I believe you should have to buy your ammo in person with a.... Walk away Dec 2012 #106

well, since ammo is protected under the 2nd Amendment OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #114

I'm sure you aren't making it up.... Walk away Dec 2012 #123

Where does the second amendment say that! Tumbulu Dec 2012 #150

Actually, it's not; the 2nd amendment specifies no particular forms of arms Scootaloo Dec 2012 #154

or cold medicine! piratefish08 Dec 2012 #176

and i'm really noticing the decrease in meth around here. not. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #178

Oh man BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #181

I think you might be right. Voting has killed thousands of people just in the last twelve years. Ed Suspicious Dec 2012 #203

How does that solve anything Travis_0004 Dec 2012 #115

Switzerland registers any purchase of ammo. Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #169

So your think that if a criminal is going to go on a murder spree, then having to register ammo . . Travis_0004 Dec 2012 #183

Non-compliance is a weak argument for non-restriction. Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #185

Other countries not only register gun and ammo sales nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #195

Australia did it. valerief Dec 2012 #74

As long as we're pretending to be England ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #97

Not all of the police in GB are unarmed and they have an armed Military. Walk away Dec 2012 #105

So your answer to people thinking that their government is coming to get them ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #125

No, to get their private arsenal. Marr Dec 2012 #162

England's gun crime rate went up for over a decade after they passed their laws Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #104

The US and GB have the same knife murder rate. The US gun murder rate is 150 times that of GB. Walk away Dec 2012 #129

I am posting the information that is out there Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #158

Have a high non-gun death rate? krispos42 Dec 2012 #107

A ban of ALL guns from the streets of the United States. ALL of them. NO tolerance graham4anything Dec 2012 #2

Can I link to this the next time somebody says "nobody wants to ban all guns"? (nt) Recursion Dec 2012 #4

If gun "enthusiasts" won't support reasonable regulations gun nuts will get unreasonable ones. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #13

No, they wont. OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #21

Al Gore once said there are some issues where there are not two answers. Guns are one of them graham4anything Dec 2012 #24

Some experts say that Al Gore lost his race for the Presidency because of gun control. ... spin Dec 2012 #80

Al Gore lost because of the 4 electoral votes in NH that Ralph Nader took away from him graham4anything Dec 2012 #84

Mitt Romney was a very weak candidate. ... spin Dec 2012 #91

Got a list of those experts? NNN0LHI Dec 2012 #184

If Al Gore would have won his home state of Tennessee he would have won the election ... spin Dec 2012 #196

Thanks for responding NNN0LHI Dec 2012 #198

Why should law enforcement have them? ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #100

Mainly because confiscating all these weapons is impossible. ... spin Dec 2012 #197

Seems like a good argument for why non-law enforcement should own then n/t ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #206

Yep caraher Dec 2012 #30

"gun nuts will get unreasonable ones" former-republican Dec 2012 #34

+100. nt Skip Intro Dec 2012 #49

I think you should. A link to one random guy on the internet is SO POWERFUL. Care Acutely Dec 2012 #152

Does that include cops and the military? Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #59

Only Feds/State/Local police, with the Feds supervising everything should have weapons graham4anything Dec 2012 #81

Yay! Police state! Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #92

I know right. Creepy statements. nt Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #108

You living life in fear is making this county unsafe for my kids DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #103

Your gratuitous personal insult aside, you're simply wrong. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #190

Your love of guns belies your claim DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #199

Gosh, thanks, doctor! Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #201

I see you're still looking for a way to delete your account DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #212

Your mind BainsBane Dec 2012 #173

Ever heard of learning a little practical self-defense? countryjake Dec 2012 #174

Of course I have. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #191

So you feel safer keeping a gun around... countryjake Dec 2012 #213

Chances are? Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #218

Impossible to ban guns wercal Dec 2012 #142

As soon as you turn in your computer and start writing out your posts rl6214 Dec 2012 #159

More of the we need more guns and gun control won't work. upaloopa Dec 2012 #3

A "whatever you wish to call those weapons of rapid murder" ban. pkdu Dec 2012 #5

another NRA supporter on DU. WTF! Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #6

no shit.... barnabas63 Dec 2012 #9

Has nothing to do with "NRA supporter"... OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #14

oh bullshit. at least be honest. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #27

Well, then good luck promoting a semi-auto or complete ban. OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #47

One cop = militarization? Travis_0004 Dec 2012 #65

Small arms industry is worth 1.8 billion in the US Confusious Dec 2012 #157

Actually guns are really giving the economy a huge boost right now. rl6214 Dec 2012 #160

The US economy is like 15 trillion GDP Confusious Dec 2012 #171

"Brownell's sells 3.5 years of high-cap magazines in 5 days." beevul Dec 2012 #208

3 years of magazines is a piss in the bucket Confusious Dec 2012 #211

Actually some of them are selling this month what they normally sell in a year rl6214 Dec 2012 #214

"some" is the operative word Confusious Dec 2012 #217

Look, this really isn't very complicated ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #102

+1. Even with 100% bans and confiscations tomorrow, you'd still have school shootings. OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #111

You are only fooling the other lead poisoned gunners. morningfog Dec 2012 #119

cowards are a dime a dozen Skittles Dec 2012 #31

^^^^ THIS!! madinmaryland Dec 2012 #122

Follow Australia's lead. Seriously. JaneyVee Dec 2012 #7

Agree. If the tough Aussies did it in 1996, why not us ? Hoyt Dec 2012 #10

Gun ownership in Australia hasn't gone down since 1996 Recursion Dec 2012 #23

People aren't walking around with them, and there are few assault weapons working. Hoyt Dec 2012 #53

They need to redefine. Maybe ban all semi-autos, including handguns. Hoyt Dec 2012 #8

Can't ban handguns - read Heller. nt hack89 Dec 2012 #60

I like the rationale from 4 dissenting justices, not scalia's BS. Hoyt Dec 2012 #61

So? Dissent means they lost the argument. nt hack89 Dec 2012 #70

Yeah, you see Chicago and DC rushing to change things. Besides the court mix will change and you Hoyt Dec 2012 #82

Chicago and DC have had their asses handed to themselves. hack89 Dec 2012 #86

Chicago/DC have not changed one law, and guns aren't as popular now that you guys got irresponsible. Hoyt Dec 2012 #89

You would be wrong about DC hack89 Dec 2012 #90

So you don't think judges take public sentiment into account? Hoyt Dec 2012 #94

Do you think Roberts and Scalia give a damn about the public? nt hack89 Dec 2012 #96

Doesn't matter what YOU like, it matters what the decision is rl6214 Dec 2012 #161

Chit happens, and decisions change, not to mention society's view of you "hobby." Hoyt Dec 2012 #186

So ban based upon muzzle velocity and rate of fire. Plus, ban the AR-15 and AK-47 lower receivers. RomneyLies Dec 2012 #12

not going to happen former-republican Dec 2012 #19

"I hope it's not going to happen" RomneyLies Dec 2012 #20

Why on earth do you care about a lower receiver? It has *nothing* to do with the weapon's abilities Recursion Dec 2012 #26

Ban the lower receiver and who gives a shit about the rest. RomneyLies Dec 2012 #37

Oh, ha. I like the way you think. Recursion Dec 2012 #41

What is your cut off point for muzzle velocity? former-republican Dec 2012 #44

Start rating them RomneyLies Dec 2012 #51

The latter solution is what is going to happen if the gun extremists continue to block other reforms Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #56

Details would have to be worked out but I'm fine with it former-republican Dec 2012 #72

The "crazy unhinged" are those who won't accept any limits to their bloated sense of "freedom" BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #182

Was that so hard ? , I guess you're NOT part of the gun grabber nuts former-republican Dec 2012 #58

Yep, you can still own 'em under the NFA RomneyLies Dec 2012 #62

I wouldn't care if every firearm was not just semi autos former-republican Dec 2012 #75

Do you know what happens when you make stupid things a felony? ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #112

So then why make anything illegal? RomneyLies Dec 2012 #117

Maybe that would solve the problem. ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #124

The NFA is simple RomneyLies Dec 2012 #127

Yeah, good luck with that Romney rl6214 Dec 2012 #163

If the NRA is a gun lobbying group then they should pay for it.. Historic NY Dec 2012 #15

assault weapons ban is a good start. semi automatics too. armed guards = really stupid idea. spanone Dec 2012 #16

If armed guards for our children is such a stupid idea ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #113

because racist RW gun nuts threaten his family weekly, they're not your average kids. bettyellen Dec 2012 #131

That doesn't really answer the question ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #135

"similar security" would be more than one guard per student/ school day , LOL. and same at the malls bettyellen Dec 2012 #137

Car pools, parks, malls, etc. ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #145

Like I said - IDIOTIC. bettyellen Dec 2012 #153

His kids are not any better than or worth any more than my kids rl6214 Dec 2012 #164

So go hire fucking guards, genius! bettyellen Dec 2012 #168

I don't need to, they have me rl6214 Dec 2012 #215

Maybe to make stupid people ask stupid questions. Thinkingabout Dec 2012 #200

Stupid questions such as, why did Bill Clinton propose the idea? ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #205

Like I said, now if the shoe fits you need to wear it. Thinkingabout Dec 2012 #210

You know where else you find the bushmaster regularly? nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #17

The Bushmaster is not used by any military I know of, and militias prefer the AK-47 Recursion Dec 2012 #28

You CANNOT find a Bushmaster in any combat zone anywhere in the world rl6214 Dec 2012 #165

The definition of assault weapon should be expanded then treestar Dec 2012 #18

Don't think you a pump action shotgun can kill a lot of people pretty fast as well? n/t ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #116

The one thing about defining phrases like "Assault Weapon"? You can alter the definition! jmg257 Dec 2012 #22

YES!!! Maybe you got it now! YES ban the goddamn assaualt weapons rustydog Dec 2012 #25

One of the points in the OP is that the rifle Lanza had was NOT an Assault Weapon. OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #33

SO, are you arguing for a greatly expanded weapons ban then? nt jmg257 Dec 2012 #38

I'm going to argue for a solution that will BOTH have a chance of working and a chance of passing. OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #50

In a gun range without someone shooting back, or screaming and running back and forth rustydog Dec 2012 #141

Stop Recursion Dec 2012 #39

Whoa - the Bushmaster AR-15 is modeled after Armalites/Stoners AR-10 & AR-15 series. jmg257 Dec 2012 #43

No. You're talking about the shell. I'm talking about the actual weapon: the upper receiver and bolt Recursion Dec 2012 #52

I'm talking about the weapon... jmg257 Dec 2012 #63

You are getting way to technical for these guys former-republican Dec 2012 #83

Quick point: naaman fletcher Dec 2012 #42

oh, fuck it then. never mind. elehhhhna Dec 2012 #29

I propose taxing all guns XRubicon Dec 2012 #32

Agree...tax the living hell out of them BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #46

Chris Rock on bullet control XRubicon Dec 2012 #71

it won't work. Algebra Palin Dec 2012 #35

Why did Lanza wear a bullet proof vest? Downwinder Dec 2012 #36

Did he? n/t OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #40

ABC News: Downwinder Dec 2012 #48

thx. did not know that. n/t OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #54

Curious. Did the vest belong to his mother? immoderate Dec 2012 #76

And as soon as he heard sirens he shot himself in the head rl6214 Dec 2012 #166

Don't depend on it. Downwinder Dec 2012 #175

It's happened every time except for the Colorado movie theater murderer rl6214 Dec 2012 #216

Why wouldn't someone that wants to kill a high number of kids just go somewhere w/o guards? LostInAnomie Dec 2012 #55

A lot of those places aren't "gun free safe zones" ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #118

So ban that shit too. Fine with me. MichiganVote Dec 2012 #57

State-wide bans are useless since crossing state lines is so easy. randome Dec 2012 #64

He didn't have to sneak it into CT. It's legal under the AWB Recursion Dec 2012 #67

Then obviously it needs to be strengthened and applied to the entire country. randome Dec 2012 #180

like with drugs... green for victory Dec 2012 #155

Considering that he had Aerows Dec 2012 #66

100 round drums could probably be banned pretty easily Recursion Dec 2012 #69

If things are worth trying, would you support a sunset clause on any legislation? OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #121

Repeal 2nd Amendment and enact Australia style gun laws. That is meaningful action. Dems to Win Dec 2012 #68

"I hate to shit in your cornflakes" DainBramaged Dec 2012 #73

You cant shit Livluvgrow Dec 2012 #85

Didn't You Post This Same Thing A Few Hours Ago? HangOnKids Dec 2012 #98

right Livluvgrow Dec 2012 #128

It's a nutty place, and logic and reality need not apply. NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #207

Sounds like a start. I am down with 10 million melted down a year. morningfog Dec 2012 #120

You did indeed shit in my cornflakes, and the turds magically spell "N.R.A."... VOX Dec 2012 #77

the NRA said it. it is without a doubt BS farminator3000 Dec 2012 #78

I realize that this is going to be difficult for someone like you to understand jeff47 Dec 2012 #79

Don't forget Virginia Tech atreides1 Dec 2012 #87

So, you're arguing for doing nothing, then? yewberry Dec 2012 #88

LOL..gun nuts don't seem to understand that when they think they are renie408 Dec 2012 #93

If that's your only option... I'm elated. OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #99

Oh, of course that is not our only option. renie408 Dec 2012 #110

A minor quibble about Fort Hood. Glassunion Dec 2012 #138

If others aren't allowed to be armed, how did the officer come in armed? rustydog Dec 2012 #144

My statements support nothing. Glassunion Dec 2012 #149

I think you make a great point... OneGrassRoot Dec 2012 #172

Stupid post. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2012 #95

This message was self-deleted by its author Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #101

Ban semi-automatics, automatics, and handguns. Nye Bevan Dec 2012 #109

I don't go that far but agree in principle Kaleva Dec 2012 #139

So you can't stop every mass killing with an assault weapon ban bhikkhu Dec 2012 #126

You missed the intent of the Original Post... OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #140

I got the intent, but its the same old argument bhikkhu Dec 2012 #148

Wayne, is that you? Agnosticsherbet Dec 2012 #130

It was not a ban, so the name really should change. Kennah Dec 2012 #132

Columbine had a Deputy Sheriff outside ... Kennah Dec 2012 #133

Well if we need armed guards in the schools we will also need them in doc03 Dec 2012 #134

Welcome to the basis behind the theory of qualified concealed carry permit holders. OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #143

No, hundreds of thousands of people saw LP's mind is screwed up. bettyellen Dec 2012 #167

Derp 99Forever Dec 2012 #136

Tax the shit right outta your cornflakes... countryjake Dec 2012 #146

Ya missed a few things. NashvilleLefty Dec 2012 #147

It works at airports, courts, Congress, etc, raquel69 Dec 2012 #151

NOTHING we propose will work, WE don't make the laws so quit the bullshit DainBramaged Dec 2012 #156

CT is tiny BainsBane Dec 2012 #170

I blame his right wing deceased mother. B Calm Dec 2012 #177

I Blame the shooter, but everyone seems to think he is innocent The Straight Story Dec 2012 #187

The gun, in fact did do the shooting. Whovian Dec 2012 #189

None that I can see is not blaming the shooter nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #194

Republican/NRA talking points designed to disrupt our progressive forum Kolesar Dec 2012 #179

Easy. JoeyT Dec 2012 #188

We need a national assault weapons ban democrattotheend Dec 2012 #192

That doesn't even make sense regarding the CT school shooting. OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #193

Love talking points nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #202

only an idiot thinbks the solution to gun violence is more guns bowens43 Dec 2012 #204

NRA talking point if I ever seen one. Gun nuts don't care loyalkydem Dec 2012 #209