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Take this you gun nutters !!! [View all] srican69 Dec 2012 OP
Oh my gosh! I'd be safer in Chile! tblue Dec 2012 #1
We're not off the rails. ehrenfeucht games Dec 2012 #5
What on earth are you suggesting? EOTE Dec 2012 #8
If I am reading the chart correctly, we are about where... ehrenfeucht games Dec 2012 #10
The point of the graph is that the more guns you have, the more gun deaths there are. EOTE Dec 2012 #12
Whether we need more or fewer guns depends on whether we want more or fewer gun deaths. ehrenfeucht games Dec 2012 #15
You needn't need be so subtle. EOTE Dec 2012 #17
I've been called a lot of things, but "subtle" is a new one. ehrenfeucht games Dec 2012 #21
Glad I could be the first :p NT EOTE Dec 2012 #61
BTW, the initial post also makes the point that we are NOT an outlier on that chart. (nt) ehrenfeucht games Dec 2012 #11
I posted the op...an outlier in statistics is a datapoint srican69 Dec 2012 #14
I agree. (nt) ehrenfeucht games Dec 2012 #16
Over half of them are suicides Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #84
you seem to be reading the chart wrong Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #86
you would be safer in any of the countries in the analysis above srican69 Dec 2012 #7
You made me lol... hehe. OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #48
How do you explain the DoJ report below when all have same access to the guns you cite? jody Dec 2012 #2
Are you saying the info in the OP is wrong? morningfog Dec 2012 #3
Here is one for children: morningfog Dec 2012 #4
you are doing timeseries in USA...I am doing a snapshot analysis srican69 Dec 2012 #6
No, it's not so subtly injecting race into the discussion Fumesucker Dec 2012 #18
Ridiculous. You can't use the race card to avoid DoJ's report. Clearly it's not just guns as the OP jody Dec 2012 #23
You were the one that played the race card Fumesucker Dec 2012 #32
OP posted a regression model and claimed guns caused homicides. Is there anyone other than me who jody Dec 2012 #34
The US seems to be about average on the chart the OP put up Fumesucker Dec 2012 #37
Fumesucker perhaps you might think I'm your enemy, other DUers do, but I'm not. jody Dec 2012 #40
I don't have a problem with you, we're fine Fumesucker Dec 2012 #44
Simple fact, more guns cause higher homicide rates. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #38
Please explain how that supports the statistical credibility of the OP's model. nt jody Dec 2012 #41
How the fact that more guns means more crime in areas with similar social/socioeconomic factors? Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #43
Or perhaps you're too stupid to explain. So we've exchanged insults. Can you answer the question? jody Dec 2012 #45
Since you evidently ARE too stupid to grasp the essential point: Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #46
Have a blissful evening and goodbye. nt jody Dec 2012 #47
That's DoJ's report, not mine. You asserted guns cause homicide and I asked why the DoJ data jody Dec 2012 #22
doesn't matter if it is your analysis or DOJ..your graph shows that srican69 Dec 2012 #26
LOL why don't you provide all the stats for your linear regression because that's what your OP jody Dec 2012 #31
Your little graph says nothing to contradict the OP. EOTE Dec 2012 #9
The DoJ data shows homicide rates about seven times different when both sub populations have jody Dec 2012 #25
I don't understand a word of this post and I don't think you do either. yardwork Dec 2012 #51
I'm not responsible for you being unable to understand simple concepts. nt jody Dec 2012 #54
Christ, this is not difficult to understand. EOTE Dec 2012 #62
OP says "Here is empirical proof on the effect of guns" OP says it's a regression model but such jody Dec 2012 #63
Gun related deaths vs. homicides rucky Dec 2012 #87
Ask the OP author. nt jody Dec 2012 #88
Why would you need to. It's not a comparable statistic. One is a snapshot. The other is a linear. Flabbergasted Dec 2012 #49
Both deal with cause of homicide. Sorry you don't understand. nt jody Dec 2012 #56
Your graph does not refute the op. it just doesn't. If it does clearly share your reasoning. Nt Flabbergasted Dec 2012 #60
First, OP regression line is not supported. Second regression models do not prove cause. Third I jody Dec 2012 #64
Strawman. Nt Flabbergasted Dec 2012 #67
Straw-man to anyone who doesn't understand the simplest concepts of regression models. nt jody Dec 2012 #68
Strawman: Flabbergasted Dec 2012 #69
Your chart doesn't refute the OP's chart. They are two completely separate issues. yardwork Dec 2012 #50
No they both deal with cause of homicide. Sorry you don't understand. nt jody Dec 2012 #55
Stop being an idiot. baldguy Dec 2012 #59
OP submitted a line through a scatter diagram. Said it was a regression and "empirical proof on the jody Dec 2012 #65
not to be overly technical but.. srican69 Dec 2012 #13
I think I can speak for the DU community here Fumesucker Dec 2012 #19
You don't speak for me. OP makes assertions that are not supported by the model as presented. nt jody Dec 2012 #35
Please provide all the statistics for your model so one can determine the efficacy of your claim. nt jody Dec 2012 #28
NRA: "Only More Guns Will Solve The Problem Of Gun Violence" Forrestted Dec 2012 #20
Where's Brazil? k2qb3 Dec 2012 #24
what next...why don't you throw in natural deaths as well srican69 Dec 2012 #30
Thank you for the recommendation... k2qb3 Dec 2012 #83
I would like to see a chart of how many deaths by "illegal guns", which crazyjoe Dec 2012 #27
Who manufactures illegal guns these days? ehrenfeucht games Dec 2012 #53
deaths by people whom are in possession of a gun illegally, ok? crazyjoe Dec 2012 #85
Our residual is even higher than the Banana Republics Doctor_J Dec 2012 #29
What the chart says - socialindependocrat Dec 2012 #33
Culture is certainly a factor. Perhaps that's why Japan with low gun rates compared to the US has a jody Dec 2012 #36
I think that everyone agrees that people who kill others are mentally unstable. socialindependocrat Dec 2012 #39
"mentally unstable" that's not my field but that gets my lay-person's vote for a primary jody Dec 2012 #42
And the propaganda king returns for another round DainBramaged Dec 2012 #77
The handful of armed people in Barbados are nothing to fuck with cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #52
Ah, so you include suicides in that number? krispos42 Dec 2012 #57
Bill Hicks - "You'd be a fool and a communist to make a connection between having a gun..." Initech Dec 2012 #58
srican69 what's the R square for your "regression line"? nt jody Dec 2012 #66
adjusted R -square of 0.85 srican69 Dec 2012 #70
Thanks. FBI data for the US is at variance with the data you used for your analysis. jody Dec 2012 #74
this includes gun related suicides as well as homicides srican69 Dec 2012 #76
If your data includes suicides, then IMO your model is fatally flawed because it excludes Japan jody Dec 2012 #78
it had to be a gun related suicide to count srican69 Dec 2012 #79
Doesn't matter you cooked the data. You and I know if you presented that at a local chapter of jody Dec 2012 #80
congrats on graduating from the Jack Welch school of criticism srican69 Dec 2012 #81
That's the response I expected given the model you concocted. nt jody Dec 2012 #82
BTW The R-square does not matter - you need to look at srican69 Dec 2012 #71
We disagree. R square in your model can be interpreted as the percent of variation in the dependent jody Dec 2012 #75
Source? Link? guardian Dec 2012 #72
The analysis is mine .. source data is from wikipedia filtered to OECD countries srican69 Dec 2012 #73
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