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Our expectations are so low that "it's not a staggering loss yet!" is viewed as resounding victory villager Dec 2012 #1
That's a good way of putting it. GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #93
yep limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #137
this is the pattern - you guys get to ride roughshod on Obama for about 2 days... Whisp Dec 2012 #2
Has he withdrawn his offer to the Repugs? MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #11
Nope. And if he's true to form, he'll probably sweeten the offer. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #25
Precisely. jsr Dec 2012 #88
He had to destroy SocSec in order to preserve it. Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #102
That's his story. How soon is he going to publicly state that he wants to privatize it in order to AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #106
Okay 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #126
keep heaven05 Dec 2012 #147
It's not personal. And when you can separate the policy from the man cui bono Dec 2012 #14
With specificity has he withdrawn his offer to the Republicans? Any plethoro Dec 2012 #15
It's worse than criminal. It's a mistake... shrdlu Dec 2012 #176
Exactly, shrdlu. I am so pissed off I can hardly type. Even this last minute plethoro Dec 2012 #180
He offered up social security yet AGAIN after lobezen Dec 2012 #16
+1 leftstreet Dec 2012 #20
Did you read what Nancy Pelosi and Hoyer said today? What SHOULD we do sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #32
Agreed. Liberal1975 Dec 2012 #140
yeah heaven05 Dec 2012 #148
Huh? This is the SECOND TIME this president has stealthily offered to cut Social Security. Marr Dec 2012 #42
It's a fucking tactic. cliffordu Dec 2012 #62
So is taking a punch to the nose to injure an opponent's fist. Bonobo Dec 2012 #65
We will see....I hope you will be big enough to apologize. cliffordu Dec 2012 #67
Ostensibly it WAS on the table. Bonobo Dec 2012 #71
Fuck. HE DID have this: cliffordu Dec 2012 #73
So the "story" is that the "adult" offered the very reasonable option of chained CPI. Bonobo Dec 2012 #75
Again....Just because he "offered" it means exactly what now?? cliffordu Dec 2012 #78
This OP does a terrific job of saying exactly what I think. Bonobo Dec 2012 #99
Just how in the hell are they going to make them gone. olegramps Dec 2012 #135
He gave them 2 more years of Bush tax cuts... lame54 Dec 2012 #167
I want to kiss you, my new hero! appacom Dec 2012 #170
+10 n/t whathehell Dec 2012 #166
Stupid ass move my ass! We all know Obama isn't stupid. The question should be, Dustlawyer Dec 2012 #177
Whoa, dude! Summer Hathaway Dec 2012 #77
Aw, shucks, m'am, cliffordu Dec 2012 #80
Actually, they didn't go "home with NOTHING in their hands." They went home with an offer to cut SS. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #95
oh heaven05 Dec 2012 #150
Wow! Now he never even made the offer! Marr Dec 2012 #114
Neat trick. And they are doing it with just three cards. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #122
Not to mention that he gives validity ... Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2012 #190
Amen. woo me with science Dec 2012 #202
why can't sticking up for the democratic party base be a tactic? datasuspect Dec 2012 #107
Validating your opponent's position on not only austerity, but SS + the deficit is a "tactic"? Marr Dec 2012 #110
I ignore nothing. cliffordu Dec 2012 #127
This is not "Politics 101", and that absurd claim does not make you look savvy. Marr Dec 2012 #130
oh heaven05 Dec 2012 #151
which part of that is sarcasm? lame54 Dec 2012 #168
Good argument. /nt Marr Dec 2012 #183
not heaven05 Dec 2012 #193
So your argument is that he's better than GW Bush? Marr Dec 2012 #200
yes heaven05 Dec 2012 #203
Right Cosmocat Dec 2012 #89
Exactly, All the shitspewers who squeal about his "mad negotiating skillz!" kenny blankenship Dec 2012 #174
Reality is reality. Well said. woo me with science Dec 2012 #178
When reality sets in, they're mzmolly Dec 2012 #49
What on earth are you talking about? nt woo me with science Dec 2012 #179
I'm talking about doomsday naysayers being silent mzmolly Dec 2012 #185
And who might these people be? nt woo me with science Dec 2012 #186
Yep - the overwhelming angst of about 100 of these posts mean they are losing the narrative. cliffordu Dec 2012 #61
yep heaven05 Dec 2012 #143
what "reality"? The one where President Obama offered a chained CPI to SS? Still on the table Vincardog Dec 2012 #152
what stinky poo poo Whisp Dec 2012 #164
Tell me one banker brought up on Criminal charges by this administration. You can't do it. Vincardog Dec 2012 #165
And, they pay bribes to the Govt. by paying "Fines" which keeps 'em outta jail. KoKo Dec 2012 #196
From DU Stock Market Watch 21 December 2012 Matt_R Dec 2012 #204
Obama is not the issue, he is just a politician who will be gone in four years. sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #205
If we can restore the tax cuts on people below $250K, I'm fine with (most of) the rest of it. reformist2 Dec 2012 #3
Huge defense cuts won't happen. woo me with science Dec 2012 #8
"the need for social program cuts over defense cuts" leftlibdem420 Dec 2012 #27
Eureka - someone's beginning to hit the nail on the head Toronto Dec 2012 #103
True. But I'd like it, if it was offered by the President as part of the great game of chess..... Little Star Dec 2012 #119
If there is truly one thing that is "off the table," it is defense expenditures. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #26
well, i agree with the BULLSHIT part. spanone Dec 2012 #4
Reality kicked in, didn't it??? nt msanthrope Dec 2012 #5
Nothing we did not expect but were told we were wrong. Thanks to the sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #36
K&R forestpath Dec 2012 #6
Keeping it real. Thank you. cui bono Dec 2012 #7
"Every single time Democrats reinforce this narrative, it is damaging to the country. " Bonobo Dec 2012 #9
As long as the Right owns the narrative the lobezen Dec 2012 #17
Except that the Republicans don't own the narrative. cliffordu Dec 2012 #74
Actually, they didn't go "home with their tail between their legs". They went with an offer to cut AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #96
An offer the Rape-publi-scum did not accept because it was coupled coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #120
that heaven05 Dec 2012 #153
No, the "Chained CPI" is indeed a cut, even if you pretend it isn't Dragonfli Dec 2012 #173
I heaven05 Dec 2012 #191
Every time a Democrat says "austerity" a Republican gets his wings. n/t jtuck004 Dec 2012 #141
K&R MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #10
DURec leftstreet Dec 2012 #12
just beacause you don't get the strategy grantcart Dec 2012 #13
So do you think he will cut defense spending? nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #19
Oh, I get it. I don't subscribe to it and don't call it winning. TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #22
Saying that you get it isn't the same thing as actually getting it. grantcart Dec 2012 #100
What are you talking about? The two year shield or the bump at a certain age? TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #118
What's the strategy? Pelosi says he's going to accept the Chained CPI. Is she sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #37
Here's the technical discussion by the leading liberal expert grantcart Dec 2012 #86
I keep asking; but no one ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #129
exactly heaven05 Dec 2012 #155
I'm certain that there is that element ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #160
makes heaven05 Dec 2012 #169
Here's a 10 minute explanation of the strategy grantcart Dec 2012 #101
He isn't perfect Cosmocat Dec 2012 #92
Actually, he got HEALTH INSURANCE reform, not health care reform. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #97
I know, I know Cosmocat Dec 2012 #125
Here is the only way this is a victory BlueStreak Dec 2012 #18
Exactly TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #24
First, +1. Second, you should take a look at something- from NYT: Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #21
The Part B that passed is HR6684 and Reid said it won't be brought to a vote in the Senate. PoliticAverse Dec 2012 #163
Sound and fury signifying nothing cliffordu Dec 2012 #23
Shakespeare is rolling over in his grave. nt Bonobo Dec 2012 #30
I know. My bad cliffordu Dec 2012 #31
How about being specific. What, eg, do you think of Pelosi and Hoyer sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #40
IT DOENS'T MATTER WHAT THE DEMS SAY OR OFFER: cliffordu Dec 2012 #45
Nancy Pelosi is a liar then? And so is Steny Hoyer? Is that what you are saying? sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #64
This has all been theater to allow the fucking R's to hang themselves. cliffordu Dec 2012 #70
Please do not remind us of the HC debacle. If you think progressives were not sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #76
Well....... cliffordu Dec 2012 #79
'You'? Does this mean you are not a Progressive? sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #81
There's the Third Way again: "Progressives are not in the majority." woo me with science Dec 2012 #109
If "progressives" are such a great big spanking cliffordu Dec 2012 #171
Ah, the throwaway line. The Third Way chutzpah woo me with science Dec 2012 #175
I'm on the way to a meeting with local activists for a talk and a beer right now cliffordu Dec 2012 #184
And people who are upset with the corporate takeover of our party? woo me with science Dec 2012 #189
When governing is reduced to a team sport and combined with a complete withdrawal Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #194
Perfectly said: "a team sport." woo me with science Dec 2012 #195
This message was self-deleted by its author Bobbie Jo Dec 2012 #90
It never ceases to amaze me Bobbie Jo Dec 2012 #112
"The television will hype garbage to you to sell ad time. " enlightenment Dec 2012 #158
I have NEVER posted an MSNBC link. Fail. cliffordu Dec 2012 #172
I call it support for Obama's bluff. The Rape-publi-scum suck at poker (Obama's coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #121
I don't agree. He wanted tax increases, he knew that to get that he would sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #124
I understand your position and the progressive in me firmly agrees. However, the coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #146
Aren't they always? Summer Hathaway Dec 2012 #44
Yep. cliffordu Dec 2012 #59
I'm good, my friend Summer Hathaway Dec 2012 #68
I'm doing well... cliffordu Dec 2012 #72
A regular mutual admiration society of poke in the barrel enthusiasts. olegramps Dec 2012 #138
Yep, that's right!! cliffordu Dec 2012 #149
Abuse of Shakespeare still doesn't give your 'argument' any substance. n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #56
Mine was no argument. cliffordu Dec 2012 #57
Bogus to play up the fears of "television believers" DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #108
I know, huh. I mean, some of us don't even watch TV & were totally fooled by those Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #117
still clueless as always, eh? MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #28
Zounds! Methinks thou should go back to reading thy comic books! nt Bonobo Dec 2012 #29
heehee +1 840high Dec 2012 #34
How about you, who appear to be so informed, explain that remark. sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #41
Methinks he hath left the realm of Midgard and taken Bifrost to the wastes of Niffelheim! Bonobo Dec 2012 #48
Lol, I think you are correct! sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #58
Well, "I will never cut Social Security" was a helluva campaing slogan, Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2012 #33
That was just the opening move in the long gambit that won us this big victory! nt Bonobo Dec 2012 #35
I keep hoping against hope? Skittles Dec 2012 #38
Thank you! Well said. Bedrock Democratic values as bargaining chips. Austerity for the 99% is not Overseas Dec 2012 #39
Exactly! I cannot believe how far we have fallen as a party. nt Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #50
Un-rec. ignoring the facts & just saying stuff doesn't make it so, no matter what labels it wears. patrice Dec 2012 #43
What facts is he ignoring? You were just explaining to me yesterday that it was essential Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #54
Please quote precisely how you get that out of what I said in that post. Admitting the POSSIBILITY patrice Dec 2012 #63
lmao. You can't even admit it when your own words are displayed. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #83
Thank You so much for this OP humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #46
"Third Way propaganda of steadily diminishing expectations" Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #47
President had better recognize it wasn't just a repuke candidate rejected, it was their IDEAS too on point Dec 2012 #51
Obama is to the Right of Ronald Reagan's ghost on Social Security for Pete's sake 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #52
+1000 JDPriestly Dec 2012 #53
Your compass is bent railsback Dec 2012 #55
An analysis of that brilliant post. Bonobo Dec 2012 #60
Honestly, I'm having trouble figuring out if this is for real, or are we being fucked with. It's so patrice Dec 2012 #66
As for me... Bonobo Dec 2012 #69
Unfortunately... kentuck Dec 2012 #145
and heaven05 Dec 2012 #156
du rec. nt xchrom Dec 2012 #82
kr HiPointDem Dec 2012 #84
Don't count your money while you're sitting at the table.... kentuck Dec 2012 #85
Are we supposed to be thankful that a Democratic president offered to cut Social Security? jsr Dec 2012 #87
"BULLSHIT that anything happening now is a victory or that we should be celebrating" ProSense Dec 2012 #91
best post I've seen in a long time. k and r! bbgrunt Dec 2012 #94
k&r nt bananas Dec 2012 #98
+1 Rocky888 Dec 2012 #104
Big Money is running this show and we're all gonna get fucked until all the fucking is done datasuspect Dec 2012 #105
Finally something I can believe in. dawg Dec 2012 #111
It certainly looks that way, doesn't it. woo me with science Dec 2012 #123
Truer words were never spoken. nt historylovr Dec 2012 #161
I'll dare. Boehner's failure to rally his own party to vote for his alternative is a FAILURE for him bigtree Dec 2012 #113
Meanwhile, John Boehner lays weeping in a pool of his own sick. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #115
Here's the Third Way game: "Heads I win. Tails, you lose....call it!" Zorra Dec 2012 #116
+10000 Keep exposing the propaganda and the real game here. woo me with science Dec 2012 #131
Well Stated! n/t adirondacker Dec 2012 #154
k&r shanti Dec 2012 #128
But, Kool-Aid is so sweet and all my friends like it. merrily Dec 2012 #132
K&R. nt OnyxCollie Dec 2012 #133
K&R closeupready Dec 2012 #134
It's not really about Obama. JEB Dec 2012 #136
On a bright note, it's good to see progressives rallying to defend Social Security and Medicare. limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #139
The MSM helps the cons watoos Dec 2012 #142
right on! the MSM is helping it along as ordered. it's sickening. Divine Discontent Dec 2012 #144
Pretty heated debate given that both sides basically agree on taxes mostlyconfused Dec 2012 #157
Sometimes, the best you can hope for is hurting them more than yourself. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #159
Excellent post. nt historylovr Dec 2012 #162
You would know about Propaganda. It is your occupation. emulatorloo Dec 2012 #181
Emulateadem? nt Bonobo Dec 2012 #187
FUCK YOU emulatorloo Dec 2012 #206
if Dems Old Codger Dec 2012 #182
After a dramatic week, Social Security is again off the table ProSense Dec 2012 #188
Just like it was last time? woo me with science Dec 2012 #192
No, ProSense Dec 2012 #197
i feel like a moron for actually clicking your link Enrique Dec 2012 #201
Check this out democrattotheend Dec 2012 #198
kick. hay rick Dec 2012 #199
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