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48. Regarding the chained CPI....As a Democrat, you *never* offer to cut Social Security
Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:10 PM
Dec 2012

There is simply *no* reason to put this c-cpi on the table. It does nothing to help the deficit. It is our money.
All this c-cpi does is reduce the amount of earned benefits that the 'kings' deem fit. Like - here take this and shut up.

Why would Obama and Pelosi want to do this?...unless they want to start the beginning on the end of Social Security.

pleased to give the first rec CatWoman Dec 2012 #1
It think it is "proceed Governor" quaker bill Dec 2012 #2
I think it's now "Proceed, Speaker". JaneyVee Dec 2012 #12
Boehner should realize Flatpicker Dec 2012 #37
LOL! klook Dec 2012 #98
Or Hire an Escort n/t Yavin4 Dec 2012 #239
It's called Merlot watoos Dec 2012 #140
Haha. Boner couldn't get it up! I dare Leno or Letterman to say it. OK, maybe coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #107
The President got lucky. cali Dec 2012 #3
Did he, now? MineralMan Dec 2012 #6
Yes he did. truebrit71 Dec 2012 #225
Uff da! WoodyD Dec 2012 #310
Um, right. He couldn't POSSIBLY guess that the Tea Party would stand up to Boehner... brooklynite Dec 2012 #14
I'm sure Obama has ears in the chambers to report on what is happening. LiberalFighter Dec 2012 #287
Thanks much. A dozen times a day I think this whenever I come here appacom Dec 2012 #302
That makes 6 times he's "got lucky" now, by my count Recursion Dec 2012 #34
And with randomness, that's possible. nt caseymoz Dec 2012 #163
And as likely as any other given sequence, yes (nt) Recursion Dec 2012 #202
no, its not pasto76 Dec 2012 #289
And you don't know what numbers mean in reality. caseymoz Dec 2012 #293
Well said. nt freedom fighter jh Dec 2012 #297
Thats what Republicans have said about him everytime he has won anything. phleshdef Dec 2012 #35
i don't mind if the republicans keep underestimating him 0rganism Dec 2012 #89
I agreed; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #131
I doubt after re-election they underestimate him. caseymoz Dec 2012 #222
Predictable. NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #39
He jumped the line. Don't you get it. He jumped the line! alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #79
+1 JustAnotherGen Dec 2012 #195
Ditto for me!! rury Dec 2012 #276
lol just like he got lucky in every campaign and political fight todate. grantcart Dec 2012 #53
Right you are grantcart goclark Dec 2012 #265
A DU Obama critic speaks! Just like I predicted in my post #41. Sad, really. nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #58
Not really. It did not take a genius to figure out what would happen. Jennicut Dec 2012 #64
Your ongoing intense dislike of Obama is duly noted. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #68
Ah, BULLSHIT. cliffordu Dec 2012 #94
That's crap. He KNOWS who he's dealing with. Better than anyone in the blogosphere. -nt CakeGrrl Dec 2012 #122
I just choked a little... Javaman Dec 2012 #127
We make our own luck. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #130
I agree and it has set a precedent that SS is a bargaining chip. nt Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #173
Trump? Is that you? fried eggs Dec 2012 #180
No, WE got lucky. truebluegreen Dec 2012 #190
+1 bloomington-lib Dec 2012 #203
"sick of this chess-playing nine-moves-ahead nonsense.If Obama really wanted to sink the Republican" stklurker Dec 2012 #221
Only bargaining chip freetrucker53 Dec 2012 #231
Fine. truebluegreen Dec 2012 #248
+ 1 n/t ejbr Dec 2012 #273
and "Chance favors the prepared mind". quaker bill Dec 2012 #194
To use one of your favorite terms...pathetic. Barack_America Dec 2012 #210
Same old cali. Never pleased about anything. [nt] Jester Messiah Dec 2012 #214
He must be the luckiest motherfucker on the PLANET lol snooper2 Dec 2012 #238
The sooner you admit you've been wrong about Obama all along, the sooner the healing can begin. MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #252
Will never happen. The delusional wing of the left. Similar to Tea Baggers, just different jargon. emulatorloo Dec 2012 #280
So? What's next Mr. President are you going to cut defense? I doubt it. xtraxritical Dec 2012 #263
Seriously? mimi85 Dec 2012 #264
Yeah, because who could have ever guessed that a gang of rabid shitweasels ... 11 Bravo Dec 2012 #306
Here come's the "cliff" MNBrewer Dec 2012 #4
Agreed customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #111
The president just got lucky like the bpositive Dec 2012 #5
what else can it be but luck, I mean he's not smart or anything. Whisp Dec 2012 #86
Kenyan Voodoo of some kind jberryhill Dec 2012 #223
wait a minute... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #7
Maybe not a death spiral Flatpicker Dec 2012 #44
hmmm... good point... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #52
I figure Flatpicker Dec 2012 #82
Well said... a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #96
They didn't really try to pass it because they knew ... eppur_se_muova Dec 2012 #234
that's kind of mean to the turtle. a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #235
Heh ismnotwasm Dec 2012 #244
K&R MineralMan Dec 2012 #8
this board goes apeshit whenever sausage is being made.... spanone Dec 2012 #9
lols. Boner's sausage looks a bit flaccid about now n/t Whisp Dec 2012 #84
Haha. Can't stop laughing - n/t coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #108
LOL! OneGrassRoot Dec 2012 #204
Wait...What?! Kahuna Dec 2012 #285
+1 Kahuna Dec 2012 #284
America will be fucked if any part of social security is on the table for Boner indepat Dec 2012 #10
I'm with you on this. Gotta love Obama, but won't play poker with him. Frustratedlady Dec 2012 #11
I, too, couldn't believe the ear-ear smile... ReRe Dec 2012 #220
Let us thank the Lord MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #13
^^^ This ^^^ WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #16
I'd rather thank the Lord Summer Hathaway Dec 2012 #18
This Solomon Dec 2012 #73
Exactly. But, blind hatred doesn't allow some to acknowledge this^^^^! Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #169
What I find astounding Summer Hathaway Dec 2012 #171
I laugh at 'em. They are as comical as the teabaggers who call the president.... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #175
Oh, I hear ya! Summer Hathaway Dec 2012 #183
I thought the Democrats were the enemy? joshcryer Dec 2012 #200
he is not a terrible negotiator Enrique Dec 2012 #15
I guess you are right if he didnt want single payer health insurance. nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #166
I second that madokie Dec 2012 #17
For every OP like this, there are a half dozen saying it ain't good enough. freshwest Dec 2012 #172
There was no need to put SS on the table and I don't trust him to not do it again. forestpath Dec 2012 #19
If Obama's plan is to cut SS, he SUCKS at it. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #23
I know! I was starting to get worried Voice for Peace Dec 2012 #38
And to be fair ... JoePhilly Dec 2012 #95
well i was just freaking out on another thread. I admit it. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2012 #123
The truly stupid thing about messing with SS is the people who receive it ... BlueJazz Dec 2012 #40
Proceed Speaker mcar Dec 2012 #20
Looks like Obama caved on caving. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #21
Master Spelunker, that Obama. n/t Whisp Dec 2012 #22
I think it is fascinating on the fringes of both parties.... Liberal Veteran Dec 2012 #43
ironically our fringe contiues a valued service in making the President look grantcart Dec 2012 #51
I'd say they make him look reasoned and thoughtful rather than simply ideological. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #87
Mmm hmm. Need to show in a hurry you're making concessions that piss off the left? Barack_America Dec 2012 #211
And both think he hates the middle class. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #80
He still offered it up. cui bono Dec 2012 #138
You sure about that? Hekate Dec 2012 #170
Jay Carney said that PBO put it in his proposal. At the Republican's request. cui bono Dec 2012 #291
BS. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #212
... Scurrilous Dec 2012 #246
Talk about BS. cui bono Dec 2012 #290
Thanks appacom Dec 2012 #303
Because he knew Alfuso Dec 2012 #281
And now it is out there to be put on the table at any time. cui bono Dec 2012 #292
Thats why Berserker Dec 2012 #24
It's the Mayan Gopocalypse!! nolabear Dec 2012 #25
K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Dec 2012 #26
I think tht is more the fault with a limp Boehner in the Speaker's chair than Obama. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2012 #27
Obama has been capable of counting to 218 at least since 2nd grade Recursion Dec 2012 #28
HUH? Because the Teabagger Mob in the House Iggy Dec 2012 #29
They knew exactly who they were talking to. WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #32
Nope, sorry. You just don't put SS on the table as a Dem. You just don't. cui bono Dec 2012 #145
Agree with you and the real Democrats were livid the SS system was put into play. byeya Dec 2012 #216
Yes, counting to 218 passes for good negotiation. It's something most on DU seem incapable of. Recursion Dec 2012 #42
I Intend to Continue.. Iggy Dec 2012 #56
I'm sorely tempted Control-Z Dec 2012 #30
Are you implying that he knew this would happen? NashvilleLefty Dec 2012 #31
But... but... counting to 218 takes such incredible skills... Recursion Dec 2012 #54
The Prexy plays rope-a-dope riqster Dec 2012 #33
If he didn't put a gradual defunding of the program that has kept older Americans alive amandabeech Dec 2012 #188
I trust him. You, apparently, do not. riqster Dec 2012 #208
It's time to say good bye to the Orange man! sheshe2 Dec 2012 #36
but Cantor will be a new smarmy horror Voice for Peace Dec 2012 #45
I know... sheshe2 Dec 2012 #63
Damn right! But, mark my words, this will not quiet Obama's DU critics. nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #41
I still haven't received my pony. Liberal Veteran Dec 2012 #49
Of course not--PBO's real world actions in one sense Surya Gayatri Dec 2012 #65
Nor will it dissuade him from his efforts to cut SS which has nothing to do with the deficit. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #103
Nor should it. n/t leeroysphitz Dec 2012 #193
turn on CNBC and listen to every conservative lambast Boehner grantcart Dec 2012 #46
Spontaneous Combustion! sheshe2 Dec 2012 #106
Ah... 3 Dimensional Chess... What A Game... Remember How We Fooled 'Em Into The Public Option ??? WillyT Dec 2012 #47
I hate to say it, but I saw this coming. I did not comment on the doom threads, as bad as it looked. Gregorian Dec 2012 #69
I Have Always Said That I Hope I Am Wrong About My Suspicions... WillyT Dec 2012 #77
And we're supposed to raise a massive public outcry against bad ideas. If we don't speak up, Overseas Dec 2012 #112
and yet you jump to the absolute worst conclusion at the drop of a hat. MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #255
LOL !!! I Have NO Personal Animosity For Obama... WillyT Dec 2012 #268
you act like you haven't been posting the same crap around here for years. MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #304
Said The Guy Who Got Here, Thu Oct 13, 2011, 04:11 AM WillyT Dec 2012 #305
You guys always get pissed when someone actually recalls what you have been doing. Why is that? MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #308
Ditto. What if the GOP had actually gone for it this time? What then? GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #206
Regarding the chained CPI....As a Democrat, you *never* offer to cut Social Security TheProgressive Dec 2012 #48
They knew the GOP couldn't accept the chained-CPI option because the GOP is never going.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #55
Then, there was no reason at all for Obama to 'put it on the table'... TheProgressive Dec 2012 #62
I don't recall that the President ever personally put chained CPI on the table.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #91
No offense, but it is naive to think Obama did not put it on the table... TheProgressive Dec 2012 #97
How about thinking Presidential-level politics is a lot more complex than you evidently believe? nt OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #101
I won;t get into a pissing contest with you - you put something on the table then, TheProgressive Dec 2012 #105
People say a lot of things in public but very little of it actually becomes reality.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #124
At that point it will be too late. cui bono Dec 2012 #141
The person you are having an exchange with does not believe that Carney cui bono Dec 2012 #142
pelosi herself called it "the president's plan" HiPointDem Dec 2012 #196
Exactly! +1 cui bono Dec 2012 #139
I said as much yesterday. liberalmuse Dec 2012 #50
Our President plays 3 Dimensional Chess melody Dec 2012 #57
Oh gawd... cui bono Dec 2012 #146
This was supposed to be a disputing argument? melody Dec 2012 #158
I love that my cogent reply was removed, but yours was allowed to remain. melody Dec 2012 #229
His opponents were playing Candyland. Jester Messiah Dec 2012 #215
Yup, pouting in the corner n/t melody Dec 2012 #230
that is like saying that whomever plays the Chiefs on a given Sunday knows how to play football dsc Dec 2012 #59
Hm... WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #74
They couldn't agree to their own speaker's $1 million tax hike; of course $400,000 was impossible alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #88
Clearly solara Dec 2012 #136
Yeah, Will. I am a good bluffer. When I can remember how, I love to play poker. juajen Dec 2012 #152
Go Raiders Jamaal510 Dec 2012 #253
The President plays chess while we all whine moan and complain about him caving loyalkydem Dec 2012 #60
Well put. n/t melody Dec 2012 #159
sure, he's just been yanking the chains of seniors, people that care about them stupidicus Dec 2012 #61
You know, Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2012 #66
I agree with you: it would be so ungracious Hekate Dec 2012 #174
Obama: Wiser than a tree full of owls. DemoTex Dec 2012 #67
I avoid DU when the Obama bashers are on a rage Loudestlib Dec 2012 #70
Ditto.. This place has been very appealing for me the past few days. Kahuna Dec 2012 #286
K&R flamingdem Dec 2012 #71
So... BarackTheVote Dec 2012 #72
This message was self-deleted by its author PragmaticLiberal Dec 2012 #75
I am always willing to do a happy dance at a Republican fail. Lone_Star_Dem Dec 2012 #76
yes proceed.. Mockingjay Dec 2012 #78
Eleventy-dimensional chess ... Not the good way CranialRectaLoopback Dec 2012 #81
And just a week or two ago, the Senate repubs had to veto their own bill arcane1 Dec 2012 #83
I'm rather new here but..... OkieLib41 Dec 2012 #85
Not chicken, but follow the leader CranialRectaLoopback Dec 2012 #90
Right. Good luck with that train of thought. nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #100
I will enjoy serving you crow, my friend CranialRectaLoopback Dec 2012 #143
They couldn't. WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #92
That's sounds childish. GeorgeGist Dec 2012 #104
And it was a stupid offer. cui bono Dec 2012 #147
The GOP is not about to publicly agree to eliminating the massive tax cuts to their.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #99
You are exaclty right. cui bono Dec 2012 #148
Excellent point!! Welcome to DU!!! nt DearHeart Dec 2012 #165
They could have, and it would've likely slid right into being policy. Marr Dec 2012 #323
I read somewhere that he is a good poker playing maybe he was bluffing kimbutgar Dec 2012 #93
Boner tried to draw to an inside straight. Oops! ROTFLMAO! - n/t coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #113
No shit. Thank you, Will. And for those naysayers, where's the babylonsister Dec 2012 #102
You had better hope they don't end up taking anything similar to Obama's original offer MessiahRp Dec 2012 #109
I don't get where Boehner's failure = Obama's success MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #110
I don't know the first thing about poker, but I sure am glad boner Autumn Dec 2012 #114
Its the freaking anxiety..... Historic NY Dec 2012 #115
Egads-- remember when Archie Bunker and his BS was a joke??? ailsagirl Dec 2012 #116
Next year Repubs: "Obama himself offered to it..." Bonobo Dec 2012 #117
They're dead. Dead, dead, dead. Canuckistanian Dec 2012 #118
We "won" what exactly? We shrewdly got what saying sit and spin would have from the last shit deal TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #119
. dionysus Dec 2012 #133
Did the American people get music lessons? Is that what your response means? TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #250
BRAVO. If there are more like you in Kentucky, I'm moving there! AMAZING response. Wish I said that. BigBearJohn Dec 2012 #295
Ditto nt freedom fighter jh Dec 2012 #299
We could use more, come on down. TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #309
It was a thing of beauty Politicub Dec 2012 #120
Too many here have always thought the worst of Obama first Gman Dec 2012 #121
And this post exemplifies how fucked our party's compass is. woo me with science Dec 2012 #125
Thank you! cui bono Dec 2012 #149
This is SUCH a great post. I wish I could pin it to DU forever. PLEASE make an OP of it. nt Bonobo Dec 2012 #154
Done woo me with science Dec 2012 #156
The Dems have been cheering Pyhrric victories at least since Clinton n/t deutsey Dec 2012 #217
And? MFrohike Dec 2012 #126
K&R. byronius Dec 2012 #128
sometimes, good things come to those who wait. juajen Dec 2012 #129
I am the first to defend Obama DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #132
I see this more as Boner's weakness than as Obama's strength customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #134
So DU is ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #135
It's not about being on Obama's side or not. cui bono Dec 2012 #151
No offense but ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #155
so cutting SS is being on the people's side? cui bono Dec 2012 #157
And given all that, he's at damn near 60% job approval. Go figure..... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #179
Because the general public was relieved to get a Dem to replace GWB cui bono Dec 2012 #315
No one is "cutting SS". Oh, the drama! Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #317
New question then maybe you'll answer the original one and others in that list. cui bono Dec 2012 #319
Obama didn't run against Bush. The candidate this year was MITT ROMNEY! Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #320
Who said Obama ran against Bush? That has nothing at all to do with what I'm saying. cui bono Dec 2012 #321
These points are well taken Stewland Dec 2012 #298
CORRECT Skittles Dec 2012 #161
Obama has still put SS on the table more than once now. cui bono Dec 2012 #137
I have to agree, senseandsensibility Dec 2012 #144
No sheet changing, eh??? And I mean that in the nicest way possible, Will. msanthrope Dec 2012 #150
At some point, is Obama going to give up his plan to reduce SS by using a chained-CPI? AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #153
I keep thinking something is up, that we don't know the whole story Skittles Dec 2012 #160
Sounds more like the Republican Party knows how to stick to its guns while we throw the Fearless Dec 2012 #162
This is better, how? caseymoz Dec 2012 #164
Hitler? DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #167
I only said Hitler had a lucky streak . . . caseymoz Dec 2012 #184
point noted DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #186
I figured this would happen agentS Dec 2012 #168
Not to be too contrary, tavalon Dec 2012 #176
K&R. cliffordu Dec 2012 #177
Thank you Will Hekate Dec 2012 #178
The president agreed to harm social security quakerboy Dec 2012 #181
there's still 10 more days to go hfojvt Dec 2012 #182
Really all we have to go by is his previous deals with the republicans AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #185
Rec #184 lamp_shade Dec 2012 #187
All due respect - bullshit Cosmocat Dec 2012 #189
Confusing people with facts is an old tactic..... Rowdyboy Dec 2012 #191
This is absolute bullshit. aandegoons Dec 2012 #192
The President only cares about "the deal" T Roosevelt Dec 2012 #197
lawl, didn't you know, it's all over! joshcryer Dec 2012 #198
So there's a deal now? Social Security is no longer on any table and never will be? Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #199
Great? joshcryer Dec 2012 #201
There is no deal. The objective of these negotiations was not 'no deal and Boehner looks bad' Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #205
Well said and I have the same question Liberalynn Dec 2012 #209
LOL, our side spins shit as bad as the GOP! Obama can do no wrong! Logical Dec 2012 #207
He can do plenty wrong, but generally not from a lack of wits. Barack_America Dec 2012 #213
Will, I've loved your OPs over the years.... blackspade Dec 2012 #218
Yep Eddie Haskell Dec 2012 #219
So because Boner can't get his sheep in a row Obama is genius? truebrit71 Dec 2012 #224
Did I miss something? dawg Dec 2012 #226
The failure of Boehner's Plan B is exactly why Obama should have stood his ground. olegramps Dec 2012 #227
well heaven05 Dec 2012 #228
Kinda like having to beg your spouse everyday to not cheat on ya. jsr Dec 2012 #232
Boehner Johnny2X2X Dec 2012 #233
Bookmarked n/t Oilwellian Dec 2012 #236
Way past time JEB Dec 2012 #237
Sounds like a civics lesson might be in order? Obama has to "negotiate" with the..... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #322
Maybe left leaning voters JEB Dec 2012 #324
There's always the Jill Stein Party, The Roseanne Party, The Rocky Anderson Party. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #326
Just keep sliding to the right? JEB Dec 2012 #327
I voted for BO JEB Dec 2012 #328
MMMMkay! Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #329
I am glad of course Liberal1975 Dec 2012 #240
He opened the door to SS cuts while he he didn't have to - bread_and_roses Dec 2012 #241
Kindly tell me how he's going to get back all the concessions he has already offered BlueStreak Dec 2012 #242
generally an offer has to be made again once rejected arely staircase Dec 2012 #313
But they know he is willing to give up chained CPI and at least $400K as the income limit BlueStreak Dec 2012 #314
there is nothing to get back arely staircase Dec 2012 #316
The OP is way overoptimistic. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #243
The Negativity is strong with this one. MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #256
And if they come back and accept his previous offer? ibegurpard Dec 2012 #245
DOOOOOOMED! DOOOOOOOOOMED! MynameisBlarney Dec 2012 #247
i see the "obama lost the first debate" folks still don`t get it madrchsod Dec 2012 #249
If I spoke for the GOP, I would just say I couldn't accept a deal that would affect Social Security. djean111 Dec 2012 #251
To be fair, is it really that difficult to outwit the GOP? AnnieK401 Dec 2012 #254
"They think with their guns." Jamaal510 Dec 2012 #258
Thank you! Enthusiastic kicked and rec'd. BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #257
Tell the two million unemployed that lose benefits at the end of the year about the negotiatons. former9thward Dec 2012 #259
They tell us they are going to give us pain if we don't give them what they want nolabels Dec 2012 #262
K&R closeupready Dec 2012 #260
Spin this: Luschnig Dec 2012 #261
Splain for us devoid of negotiating skills. Baitball Blogger Dec 2012 #266
Here's more. FiveGoodMen Dec 2012 #267
They were playing taps for Boehner on NPR this morning. Robb Dec 2012 #269
"I agree with you, I want to do it, now make me do it." Obama sulphurdunn Dec 2012 #270
Yeah, JEB Dec 2012 #325
They say the fight game is won by rounds. I think we just saw round 1. Ford_Prefect Dec 2012 #271
After all the "Obama puts SS on the table" and "Obama is caving" threads, CheapShotArtist Dec 2012 #272
But..Will...he governs for "SOME DEMS"...but not for us ALL Here: KoKo Dec 2012 #274
So awesome! Thanks for posting this! Laughed out loud! Firebrand Gary Dec 2012 #275
Negotiations are entering phase 2, but they aren't over until the deadline is passed. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #277
Did we suddenly get a deal that averts the fiscal cliff, doesn't touch Soc Sec, and Bake Dec 2012 #278
Will: thanks. Getting sick of these negative bullshit lying posts emulatorloo Dec 2012 #279
Because he's negotiating with himself! We were saved from Social Security cuts by..... Boner???? grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #282
Two great Will Pitt threads from the past: Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #283
So much for Juries WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #288
not me Skittles Dec 2012 #294
YES!! SkyDaddy7 Dec 2012 #296
Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth, bvar22 Dec 2012 #300
+1. "Obama HAS violated the Cardinal Rule: Never Gamble with the Rent Money." grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #307
What Planet Do You Live On? Cause On This Planet, Not Only Have Changes to SS Been Discussed Skraxx Dec 2012 #318
if Obama doesn't pull a first debate on us - he could do tremendous good for this country samsingh Dec 2012 #301
K&R Better late than never, especially around here Number23 Dec 2012 #311
The back tracking is getting ridiculous. Rex Dec 2012 #312
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