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Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:12 PM

Flabbergasted (7,826 posts)

49. Why would you need to. It's not a comparable statistic. One is a snapshot. The other is a linear.

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88 replies	Author	Time	Post
Take this you gun nutters !!! [View all]	srican69	Dec 2012	OP
Oh my gosh! I'd be safer in Chile!	tblue	Dec 2012	#1
We're not off the rails.	ehrenfeucht games	Dec 2012	#5
What on earth are you suggesting?	EOTE	Dec 2012	#8
If I am reading the chart correctly, we are about where...	ehrenfeucht games	Dec 2012	#10
The point of the graph is that the more guns you have, the more gun deaths there are.	EOTE	Dec 2012	#12
Whether we need more or fewer guns depends on whether we want more or fewer gun deaths.	ehrenfeucht games	Dec 2012	#15
You needn't need be so subtle.	EOTE	Dec 2012	#17
I've been called a lot of things, but "subtle" is a new one.	ehrenfeucht games	Dec 2012	#21
Glad I could be the first :p NT	EOTE	Dec 2012	#61
BTW, the initial post also makes the point that we are NOT an outlier on that chart. (nt)	ehrenfeucht games	Dec 2012	#11
I posted the op...an outlier in statistics is a datapoint	srican69	Dec 2012	#14
I agree. (nt)	ehrenfeucht games	Dec 2012	#16
Over half of them are suicides	Mojorabbit	Dec 2012	#84
you seem to be reading the chart wrong	Motown_Johnny	Dec 2012	#86
you would be safer in any of the countries in the analysis above	srican69	Dec 2012	#7
You made me lol... hehe.	OneTenthofOnePercent	Dec 2012	#48
How do you explain the DoJ report below when all have same access to the guns you cite?	jody	Dec 2012	#2
Are you saying the info in the OP is wrong?	morningfog	Dec 2012	#3
Here is one for children:	morningfog	Dec 2012	#4
you are doing timeseries in USA...I am doing a snapshot analysis	srican69	Dec 2012	#6
No, it's not so subtly injecting race into the discussion	Fumesucker	Dec 2012	#18
Ridiculous. You can't use the race card to avoid DoJ's report. Clearly it's not just guns as the OP	jody	Dec 2012	#23
You were the one that played the race card	Fumesucker	Dec 2012	#32
OP posted a regression model and claimed guns caused homicides. Is there anyone other than me who	jody	Dec 2012	#34
The US seems to be about average on the chart the OP put up	Fumesucker	Dec 2012	#37
Fumesucker perhaps you might think I'm your enemy, other DUers do, but I'm not.	jody	Dec 2012	#40
I don't have a problem with you, we're fine	Fumesucker	Dec 2012	#44
Simple fact, more guns cause higher homicide rates.	Spider Jerusalem	Dec 2012	#38
Please explain how that supports the statistical credibility of the OP's model. nt	jody	Dec 2012	#41
How the fact that more guns means more crime in areas with similar social/socioeconomic factors?	Spider Jerusalem	Dec 2012	#43
Or perhaps you're too stupid to explain. So we've exchanged insults. Can you answer the question?	jody	Dec 2012	#45
Since you evidently ARE too stupid to grasp the essential point:	Spider Jerusalem	Dec 2012	#46
Have a blissful evening and goodbye. nt	jody	Dec 2012	#47
That's DoJ's report, not mine. You asserted guns cause homicide and I asked why the DoJ data	jody	Dec 2012	#22
doesn't matter if it is your analysis or DOJ..your graph shows that	srican69	Dec 2012	#26
LOL why don't you provide all the stats for your linear regression because that's what your OP	jody	Dec 2012	#31
Your little graph says nothing to contradict the OP.	EOTE	Dec 2012	#9
The DoJ data shows homicide rates about seven times different when both sub populations have	jody	Dec 2012	#25
I don't understand a word of this post and I don't think you do either.	yardwork	Dec 2012	#51
I'm not responsible for you being unable to understand simple concepts. nt	jody	Dec 2012	#54
Christ, this is not difficult to understand.	EOTE	Dec 2012	#62
OP says "Here is empirical proof on the effect of guns" OP says it's a regression model but such	jody	Dec 2012	#63
Gun related deaths vs. homicides	rucky	Dec 2012	#87
Ask the OP author. nt	jody	Dec 2012	#88
Why would you need to. It's not a comparable statistic. One is a snapshot. The other is a linear.	Flabbergasted	Dec 2012	#49
Both deal with cause of homicide. Sorry you don't understand. nt	jody	Dec 2012	#56
Your graph does not refute the op. it just doesn't. If it does clearly share your reasoning. Nt	Flabbergasted	Dec 2012	#60
First, OP regression line is not supported. Second regression models do not prove cause. Third I	jody	Dec 2012	#64
Strawman. Nt	Flabbergasted	Dec 2012	#67
Straw-man to anyone who doesn't understand the simplest concepts of regression models. nt	jody	Dec 2012	#68
Strawman:	Flabbergasted	Dec 2012	#69
Your chart doesn't refute the OP's chart. They are two completely separate issues.	yardwork	Dec 2012	#50
No they both deal with cause of homicide. Sorry you don't understand. nt	jody	Dec 2012	#55
Stop being an idiot.	baldguy	Dec 2012	#59
OP submitted a line through a scatter diagram. Said it was a regression and "empirical proof on the	jody	Dec 2012	#65
not to be overly technical but..	srican69	Dec 2012	#13
I think I can speak for the DU community here	Fumesucker	Dec 2012	#19
You don't speak for me. OP makes assertions that are not supported by the model as presented. nt	jody	Dec 2012	#35
Please provide all the statistics for your model so one can determine the efficacy of your claim. nt	jody	Dec 2012	#28
NRA: "Only More Guns Will Solve The Problem Of Gun Violence"	Forrestted	Dec 2012	#20
Where's Brazil?	k2qb3	Dec 2012	#24
what next...why don't you throw in natural deaths as well	srican69	Dec 2012	#30
Thank you for the recommendation...	k2qb3	Dec 2012	#83
I would like to see a chart of how many deaths by "illegal guns", which	crazyjoe	Dec 2012	#27
Who manufactures illegal guns these days?	ehrenfeucht games	Dec 2012	#53
deaths by people whom are in possession of a gun illegally, ok?	crazyjoe	Dec 2012	#85
Our residual is even higher than the Banana Republics	Doctor_J	Dec 2012	#29
What the chart says -	socialindependocrat	Dec 2012	#33
Culture is certainly a factor. Perhaps that's why Japan with low gun rates compared to the US has a	jody	Dec 2012	#36
I think that everyone agrees that people who kill others are mentally unstable.	socialindependocrat	Dec 2012	#39
"mentally unstable" that's not my field but that gets my lay-person's vote for a primary	jody	Dec 2012	#42
And the propaganda king returns for another round	DainBramaged	Dec 2012	#77
The handful of armed people in Barbados are nothing to fuck with	cthulu2016	Dec 2012	#52
Ah, so you include suicides in that number?	krispos42	Dec 2012	#57
Bill Hicks - "You'd be a fool and a communist to make a connection between having a gun..."	Initech	Dec 2012	#58
srican69 what's the R square for your "regression line"? nt	jody	Dec 2012	#66
adjusted R -square of 0.85	srican69	Dec 2012	#70
Thanks. FBI data for the US is at variance with the data you used for your analysis.	jody	Dec 2012	#74
this includes gun related suicides as well as homicides	srican69	Dec 2012	#76
If your data includes suicides, then IMO your model is fatally flawed because it excludes Japan	jody	Dec 2012	#78
it had to be a gun related suicide to count	srican69	Dec 2012	#79
Doesn't matter you cooked the data. You and I know if you presented that at a local chapter of	jody	Dec 2012	#80
congrats on graduating from the Jack Welch school of criticism	srican69	Dec 2012	#81
That's the response I expected given the model you concocted. nt	jody	Dec 2012	#82
BTW The R-square does not matter - you need to look at	srican69	Dec 2012	#71
We disagree. R square in your model can be interpreted as the percent of variation in the dependent	jody	Dec 2012	#75
Source? Link?	guardian	Dec 2012	#72
The analysis is mine .. source data is from wikipedia filtered to OECD countries	srican69	Dec 2012	#73

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