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In reply to the discussion: Why doesn't anyone come out and ask the politicians to raise the CAP to solve the SS problem? [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)9. They have. May want to read the threads about bills by Begich and Sanders on this:
Dem Senator Introduces Bill To Lift Social Securitys Tax Cap, Extend Its Solvency For Decades
By Jeff Spross on Nov 16, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Democratic Senator Mark Begich of Alaska... Social Security, the government entitlement that provides support to seniors in retirement, the disabled, and other Americans, has long been in the cross-hairs of budget reformers. The programs trust fund currently wont be spent out until 2033, and after that it would still pay 75 percent of scheduled benefits.
Most of the proposed solutions to the shortfall involve cutting back benefits and raising the minimum retirement age. Both are deeply problematic; at its current level of benefits Social Security kept over 20 million people out of poverty in 2011, many Americans in demanding manual labor jobs already take early retirement and thus reduced benefits as it is, and lower-income Americans have not particularly benefited from the average rise in lifespans .
This week, however, Sen. Mark Begich (D-AK) put forward a reform package that goes in the opposite direction, while still financially securing the programs trust fund for roughly the next seven decades. The Washington Posts Dylan Matthews laid out the details:
The Begich bill would lift the current payroll tax cap, which exempts wages in excess of a certain amount ($110,100 this year) from the tax. In turn, it would give high earners, who would pay more, additional benefits upon retirement, just as benefits increase as wages do for workers below the cap.
It also increases benefits across-the-board. While Bowles-Simpson and Domenici-Rivlin adopt a stingier chained CPI measure for inflation, Begich adopts CPI-E, or a measure that specifically captures inflation in goods that seniors buy.
Due to deteriorated health and other considerations, goods seniors buy tend to be more expensive than those younger people purchase. Begichs CPI-E change would mean, effectively, a 4.5 percent benefit increase for the programs beneficiaries, including not just seniors but their designated survivors and disabled Americans as well.
The Congressional Research Service ran the numbers back in 2010 and concluded that eliminating the payroll tax cap while also paying out the new benefits to wealthier Americans in accordance with their new taxes would eliminate 95 percent of the trust funds shortfall over the next 75 years.
Begich may not hit that goal exactly, depending on how the legislation is written. In particular, his change to CPI-E also lifts the overall benefit level, on top of the changes in CRS scenario. But his reform would probably come very close.
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/11/16/1208701/democratic-senator-introduces-bill-to-lift-social-securitys-tax-cap-extend-its-solvency-for-decades/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021835303
Will the 29 Sanders-letter senators co-sponsor the Begich Social Security bill?
The most recent Social Security bill, proposed by Alaska Sen. Mark Begich, includes such enhancements as full cancellation of the payroll cap making the Social Security tax a simple flat tax and not a regressive one and improves the cost-of-living adjustment by indexing it to the items most bought by the elderly. All round, a very good bill.
This bill also goes on offense, putting a stake in the ground that says Social Security benefits should be enhanced, not just kept the same. I hope you can see the negotiating benefit of that.
The 29 senators who signed the Sen. Sanders letter are playing excellent defense drawing a line that says No Cuts to the safety net and No New Tax Breaks for the rich. (With the BushObama Tax Cuts set to expire in December, renewing them is without doubt a new tax break.)
Can we get the 29 senators to go on offense as well, and co-sponsor the Begich bill? You could ask them.
Heres that list of Sanders-letter senators, the good guys in this fight. Note that Mark Begich, the author of the Begich bill, is an organizer:
Organizers:
Bernie Sanders (I-VT) (202) 224-5141
Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) (202) 224-2921
Mark Begich (D-AK) (202) 224-3004
Al Franken (D-MN) (202) 224-5641
Other signers:
Harry Reid (D-NV) (202) 224-3542
Chuck Schumer (D-NY) (202) 224-6542
Jack Reed (D-RI) (202) 224-4642
Sherrod Brown ((D-OH) (202) 224-2315
Ron Wyden (D-OR) (202) 224-5244
Patrick Leahy (D-VT) (202) 224-4242
Ben Cardin (D-MD) (202) 224-4524
Debbie Stabenow (D-MI) (202) 224-4822
Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) (202) 224-2823
Tom Harkin (D-IA) (202) 224-3254
Jeff Merkley (D-OR) (202) 224-3753
Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) (202) 224-3224
Barbara Mikulski (D-MD) (202) 224-4654
Patty Murray (D-WA) (202) 224-2621
Barbara Boxer (D-CA) (202) 224-3553
Maria Cantwell (D-WA) (202) 224-3441
Daniel Akaka (D-HI) (202) 224-6361
Tim Johnson (D-SD) (202) 224-5842
John Rockefeller (D-WV) (202) 224-6472
Daniel Inouye (D-HI) (202) 224-3934
Tom Udall (D-NM) (202) 224-6621
Robert Menendez (D-NJ) (202) 224-4744
Carl Levin (D-MI) (202) 224-6221
Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) (202) 224-4451
Joe Manchin (D-WV) (202) 224-3954
http://americablog.com/2012/11/will-the-29-senators-who-signed-the-sanders-letter-co-sponsor-the-begich-social-security-bill.html
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251253882
By Jeff Spross on Nov 16, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Democratic Senator Mark Begich of Alaska... Social Security, the government entitlement that provides support to seniors in retirement, the disabled, and other Americans, has long been in the cross-hairs of budget reformers. The programs trust fund currently wont be spent out until 2033, and after that it would still pay 75 percent of scheduled benefits.
Most of the proposed solutions to the shortfall involve cutting back benefits and raising the minimum retirement age. Both are deeply problematic; at its current level of benefits Social Security kept over 20 million people out of poverty in 2011, many Americans in demanding manual labor jobs already take early retirement and thus reduced benefits as it is, and lower-income Americans have not particularly benefited from the average rise in lifespans .
This week, however, Sen. Mark Begich (D-AK) put forward a reform package that goes in the opposite direction, while still financially securing the programs trust fund for roughly the next seven decades. The Washington Posts Dylan Matthews laid out the details:
The Begich bill would lift the current payroll tax cap, which exempts wages in excess of a certain amount ($110,100 this year) from the tax. In turn, it would give high earners, who would pay more, additional benefits upon retirement, just as benefits increase as wages do for workers below the cap.
It also increases benefits across-the-board. While Bowles-Simpson and Domenici-Rivlin adopt a stingier chained CPI measure for inflation, Begich adopts CPI-E, or a measure that specifically captures inflation in goods that seniors buy.
Due to deteriorated health and other considerations, goods seniors buy tend to be more expensive than those younger people purchase. Begichs CPI-E change would mean, effectively, a 4.5 percent benefit increase for the programs beneficiaries, including not just seniors but their designated survivors and disabled Americans as well.
The Congressional Research Service ran the numbers back in 2010 and concluded that eliminating the payroll tax cap while also paying out the new benefits to wealthier Americans in accordance with their new taxes would eliminate 95 percent of the trust funds shortfall over the next 75 years.
Begich may not hit that goal exactly, depending on how the legislation is written. In particular, his change to CPI-E also lifts the overall benefit level, on top of the changes in CRS scenario. But his reform would probably come very close.
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/11/16/1208701/democratic-senator-introduces-bill-to-lift-social-securitys-tax-cap-extend-its-solvency-for-decades/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021835303
Will the 29 Sanders-letter senators co-sponsor the Begich Social Security bill?
The most recent Social Security bill, proposed by Alaska Sen. Mark Begich, includes such enhancements as full cancellation of the payroll cap making the Social Security tax a simple flat tax and not a regressive one and improves the cost-of-living adjustment by indexing it to the items most bought by the elderly. All round, a very good bill.
This bill also goes on offense, putting a stake in the ground that says Social Security benefits should be enhanced, not just kept the same. I hope you can see the negotiating benefit of that.
The 29 senators who signed the Sen. Sanders letter are playing excellent defense drawing a line that says No Cuts to the safety net and No New Tax Breaks for the rich. (With the BushObama Tax Cuts set to expire in December, renewing them is without doubt a new tax break.)
Can we get the 29 senators to go on offense as well, and co-sponsor the Begich bill? You could ask them.
Heres that list of Sanders-letter senators, the good guys in this fight. Note that Mark Begich, the author of the Begich bill, is an organizer:
Organizers:
Bernie Sanders (I-VT) (202) 224-5141
Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) (202) 224-2921
Mark Begich (D-AK) (202) 224-3004
Al Franken (D-MN) (202) 224-5641
Other signers:
Harry Reid (D-NV) (202) 224-3542
Chuck Schumer (D-NY) (202) 224-6542
Jack Reed (D-RI) (202) 224-4642
Sherrod Brown ((D-OH) (202) 224-2315
Ron Wyden (D-OR) (202) 224-5244
Patrick Leahy (D-VT) (202) 224-4242
Ben Cardin (D-MD) (202) 224-4524
Debbie Stabenow (D-MI) (202) 224-4822
Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) (202) 224-2823
Tom Harkin (D-IA) (202) 224-3254
Jeff Merkley (D-OR) (202) 224-3753
Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) (202) 224-3224
Barbara Mikulski (D-MD) (202) 224-4654
Patty Murray (D-WA) (202) 224-2621
Barbara Boxer (D-CA) (202) 224-3553
Maria Cantwell (D-WA) (202) 224-3441
Daniel Akaka (D-HI) (202) 224-6361
Tim Johnson (D-SD) (202) 224-5842
John Rockefeller (D-WV) (202) 224-6472
Daniel Inouye (D-HI) (202) 224-3934
Tom Udall (D-NM) (202) 224-6621
Robert Menendez (D-NJ) (202) 224-4744
Carl Levin (D-MI) (202) 224-6221
Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) (202) 224-4451
Joe Manchin (D-WV) (202) 224-3954
http://americablog.com/2012/11/will-the-29-senators-who-signed-the-sanders-letter-co-sponsor-the-begich-social-security-bill.html
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251253882
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Why doesn't anyone come out and ask the politicians to raise the CAP to solve the SS problem? [View all]
still_one
Dec 2012
OP
because it would take more money from rich folks instead of giving them a back door tax cut
tk2kewl
Dec 2012
#3
Just way too easy ... and corp. MSM wouldn't want this, they thrive on controversy as $$$$$ rolls in
RKP5637
Dec 2012
#5
You're welcome. This is something we can do to give them leverage. They keep records...
freshwest
Dec 2012
#22
They have. May want to read the threads about bills by Begich and Sanders on this:
freshwest
Dec 2012
#9
Yes it is! My two Democratic senators are there, though. Keep up the pressure.
freshwest
Dec 2012
#13
the same reason they don't talk about Iceland. The Job Creators (TM) would have a sad.
corkhead
Dec 2012
#16