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hack89

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4. Why don't we actually look at what the law does

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:55 AM

Dec 2012

The purpose of the act is to prevent firearms manufacturers and dealers from being held liable for crimes committed with their products. However, both manufacturers and dealers can still be held liable for damages resulting from defective products, breach of contract, criminal misconduct, and other actions for which they are directly responsible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_of_Lawful_Commerce_in_Arms_Act

In other words, if you get shot by a violent felon, you cannot sue the manufacturer of the gun no more than you could sue Ford if you got run over by a drunk driver.

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Why Isn't The Media Discussing The Unprecedented Law Giving Gun Makers And Dealers Immunity? [View all] spanone Dec 2012 OP

it's just not in the script. You know, like Obama's Gun Panel announcement yesterday librechik Dec 2012 #1

Gun deaths have not "gone up dramatically" pipoman Dec 2012 #3

the press also spreads gross misinformation, making dialogue difficult librechik Dec 2012 #9

Should I be allowed to sue Dodge pipoman Dec 2012 #2

did congress write a special exemption law just for dodge? don't think so. spanone Dec 2012 #7

Should you (or anyone), be able to sue Dodge if a car owner... -..__... Dec 2012 #21

so why didn't this law apply to dodge? why the gun industry need this ? makes no sesnse. spanone Dec 2012 #40

That's the question none of the NRA apologists will ever answer. DanTex Dec 2012 #51

Because the NRA is powerful... ellisonz Dec 2012 #59

bingo! spanone Dec 2012 #62

Sense bongbong Dec 2012 #79

This question is easy to answer. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #87

A jury should decide, rather than the gun lobby. DanTex Dec 2012 #8

Because there is a cost to the state for each pipoman Dec 2012 #14

If the lawsuits are frivolous, the courts can require plaintiffs to cover legal fees. DanTex Dec 2012 #18

For the same reason that laws were passed... MicaelS Dec 2012 #73

No. You sue the owner of the vehicle who is required by law to carry insurance. PA Democrat Dec 2012 #38

Only thing is, a Constitutional right is not subject to being underwritten by State Farm derby378 Dec 2012 #61

A number of fees to own guns and to acquire PA Democrat Dec 2012 #80

Concealed carry permits are one thing... derby378 Dec 2012 #83

yes, they make a product and sell it KNOWING that it hurts others then yeap...been done before uponit7771 Dec 2012 #48

Only when the product was pipoman Dec 2012 #84

Why don't we actually look at what the law does hack89 Dec 2012 #4

Finally, some sense! Odin2005 Dec 2012 #5

Actually, the whole "greedy lawsuit trolls" thing is a right-wing talking point. DanTex Dec 2012 #12

Go read Hack's post, again. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #57

Go read my response to it. DanTex Dec 2012 #66

did mcdonalds get special legislation passed that exempts only them from lawsuits? anyone else? spanone Dec 2012 #68

A gun is purposely designed to kill people loyalsister Dec 2012 #70

Another Rove/Heritage talking point brought by the gunsters Doctor_J Dec 2012 #17

Finally, some sense! RC Dec 2012 #55

If you read my other posts you would know that I am not a gun nut. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #58

okay.... spanone Dec 2012 #6

The dealer and the manufacturer were sued because of their business practices hack89 Dec 2012 #15

if that's true why do they need the law? let's repeal it. spanone Dec 2012 #20

Because there were cases hack89 Dec 2012 #23

why does the gun industry needs it's own law. if you can't sue the car manufacturer spanone Dec 2012 #26

Because people weren't suing the car manufacturers hack89 Dec 2012 #29

so any manufacturer that gets sued should lobby congress for a special exemption? spanone Dec 2012 #33

Gun manufacturers can be sued for things they are directly responsible for hack89 Dec 2012 #37

why do they need a special exemption? car makers don't have one. knife makers don't have one. spanone Dec 2012 #39

You are being deliberately obtuse hack89 Dec 2012 #41

You haven't explained diddley; you've just repeated crapola from the gunsucker script. byeya Dec 2012 #42

good luck trying to sell that down the road..... spanone Dec 2012 #45

Dodge. Again. Why can't any of the NRA apologists answer the question? DanTex Dec 2012 #53

Yes, if lawyers are trying to sue them out of business. MicaelS Dec 2012 #78

Again, I think a jury should decide. DanTex Dec 2012 #28

There are no anti-car groups trying to drive Ford and GM out of business hack89 Dec 2012 #30

LOL. So you are saying that the fact that someone decided to actually invoke the right DanTex Dec 2012 #31

If groups deliberately misuse the law hack89 Dec 2012 #35

Every industry that gets sued uses identical talking points. DanTex Dec 2012 #49

Supreme Court allows lawsuits against automakers over seat belt design spanone Dec 2012 #32

And gun manufacturers can be sued over dangerous design flaws too hack89 Dec 2012 #34

Was the car built for the purpose daleanime Dec 2012 #44

Are guns built to commit crimes? nt hack89 Dec 2012 #46

How about we let a jury decide? Why are you so afraid of juries? DanTex Dec 2012 #50

I'll answer yours, if you answer mine.... daleanime Dec 2012 #63

Running over people is a crime. So is shooting them. hack89 Dec 2012 #64

Well you are fast and that answer is correct,,,, daleanime Dec 2012 #67

It is an irrelevant issue when it comes to the law hack89 Dec 2012 #69

That fact that you are unwilling to answer.... daleanime Dec 2012 #71

Of course guns are designed to kill. hack89 Dec 2012 #72

O.K., next question.... daleanime Dec 2012 #74

I saw it as an attempt to derail the conversation hack89 Dec 2012 #75

No way. It's helped us have a slightly better understanding of each other views... daleanime Dec 2012 #76

ok nt hack89 Dec 2012 #77

Why should the gun industry get special protection? DanTex Dec 2012 #10

If you could put gun manufacturers out of business through a deluge of law suits hack89 Dec 2012 #11

Again, a jury should decide all this, not the gun lobby. DanTex Dec 2012 #16

The law allows gun dealers and manufacturers to be sued hack89 Dec 2012 #22

How about we let a jury decide? DanTex Dec 2012 #25

Why waste the time of the jury and courts? ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #88

nevertheless this law and others the ALEC/NRA juggernaut have sneaked into states librechik Dec 2012 #13

"the nostalgia constitution" is the law of the land hack89 Dec 2012 #24

I think Sane America has given up trying to stop the massacres Doctor_J Dec 2012 #19

Where were YOU when it was being debated in Congress? slackmaster Dec 2012 #27

where was I? okay. so it's my fault this law was implemented cause i wasn't there..i see your logic spanone Dec 2012 #36

Horse, barn. It's much easier to block something you don't want before it becomes law. slackmaster Dec 2012 #47

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce has been on a 30 year Tort Reform binge! The ability Dustlawyer Dec 2012 #43

Is jack Daniels responsible for liver damage? Logical Dec 2012 #52

Why not let a jury decide? DanTex Dec 2012 #54

Right! I remember that rampage where a mall was strafed with Jack Daniels Doctor_J Dec 2012 #56

So if a guy kills with hatchet you can sue the hatchet company? WTF? Logical Dec 2012 #60

name one other industry that has their own special legislation passed for them.... spanone Dec 2012 #65

Name one other industry that needed it. N/T beevul Dec 2012 #82

All of them "need" it Fumesucker Dec 2012 #85

I guess I should have defined "needed it". beevul Dec 2012 #86

Need vs want. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #89

I remember posting it and you saw it but it's gone for me now.. Fumesucker Dec 2012 #90

Still there for me. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #91

General Aviation. MicaelS Dec 2012 #92

I just sprained my ankle keeping up with your zig-zagging Doctor_J Dec 2012 #81