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In the discussion thread: Even if the US had adequate mental health coverage, how does one force a mentally ill person [View all]

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Thu Dec 20, 2012, 12:23 AM

tblue (13,946 posts)

76. I heard 85% of us need help

and only half of those ever get any. I don't have an answer to your question. Treatment must be readily available and schools and families educated about signs of trouble. But for those who want it, treatment also takes time. It takes time to get an appointment and time for therapies to work. In the mean time, anything can happen. I say take away the fucking guns! At least start! Try!

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78 replies	Author	Time	Post
Even if the US had adequate mental health coverage, how does one force a mentally ill person [View all]	graywarrior	Dec 2012	OP
call it in as danger to self and others? n/t	a geek named Bob	Dec 2012	#1
Most of the time this person is stable.	graywarrior	Dec 2012	#2
up to you... n/t	a geek named Bob	Dec 2012	#4
There really isn't much that can be done	Sekhmets Daughter	Dec 2012	#19
You can't unless you can prove they are dangerous. Not easy to do.	Happyhippychick	Dec 2012	#3
Which begs the question how to handle mental illness and guns.	graywarrior	Dec 2012	#6
I agree. No real solution unless we want to strip the mentally ill of their civil rights.	Happyhippychick	Dec 2012	#15
I know. Check out this story.	graywarrior	Dec 2012	#16
In my country we have draft	tama	Dec 2012	#36
That's the problem	vankuria	Dec 2012	#5
It's frustrating because if he got treatment, his life would not be so complicated.	graywarrior	Dec 2012	#9
It's his life	tama	Dec 2012	#37
You're approx the 20th person to say that. lol	graywarrior	Dec 2012	#39
That's what they always say	tama	Dec 2012	#46
All is suffering is not negative when you really think about it	graywarrior	Dec 2012	#61
and then they only get	southern_belle	Dec 2012	#54
It depends on the state, but generally it comes down to demonstrating a danger to self or others,	Brickbat	Dec 2012	#7
Court ordered commitment	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2012	#8
i have a brother worse of than yours. it's very hard.	unblock	Dec 2012	#10
Arrrgghh, that would kill me!	graywarrior	Dec 2012	#11
that a big problem for mental illness in general, and bipolar in particular	unblock	Dec 2012	#75
I can tell you from personal experience, generally you can't force anyone into treatment.	slackmaster	Dec 2012	#12
Damn it slackmaster, given your experience it seems like a lose-lose situation in many cases. Other	jody	Dec 2012	#17
Despite heroic efforts by the police and medical professionals and myself, the only person...	slackmaster	Dec 2012	#18
And that's all you can ever demand of yourself.	Sekhmets Daughter	Dec 2012	#21
So sorry for you. I have several friends from Vietnam, one an Aussie Squadron Leader, commit suicide	jody	Dec 2012	#25
That's frightening.	graywarrior	Dec 2012	#20
Yes it is. I'm in a cold sweat right now from thinking about it. I was in therapy for 4 months.	slackmaster	Dec 2012	#26
The solution to the gun/mental health issue won't be easy.	graywarrior	Dec 2012	#31
"hate me and bully me"! I'm an old man and held many responsible positions in govt., education, and	jody	Dec 2012	#40
!!!!	graywarrior	Dec 2012	#62
Adam Lanza had EASY access to guns. That's the difference.	riderinthestorm	Dec 2012	#57
Thank you for your kind words	slackmaster	Dec 2012	#77
Oh gosh!	Odin2005	Dec 2012	#48
What about using Baker acted...n/t	monmouth3	Dec 2012	#13
Is legal system the only way? nt	jody	Dec 2012	#14
They lie...and the person goes in for 72 hours and emerges pissed off	SoCalDem	Dec 2012	#22
I know, even when he sees his primary care doctor, he's pissed for a few days after.	graywarrior	Dec 2012	#24
Yes, my friend who I had "5150'd" absolutely hated my guts when she got out	slackmaster	Dec 2012	#27
The laws and mechanisms vary from state to state, but, in general	cbayer	Dec 2012	#23
They only have to be stable enough to tell the police "I'm fine" and maintain for a few minutes	slackmaster	Dec 2012	#28
Not true everywhere. In many places, EMT's or police can bring someone into	cbayer	Dec 2012	#30
Thanks for that. My actions in the case outlined here were taylored to San Diego, and the victim.	slackmaster	Dec 2012	#42
Florida had a thing where physicians were 5250ing elderly with no family to fund their clinics.	TheBlackAdder	Dec 2012	#60
Saddly these issues cross two of our most sacred cows	Sen. Walter Sobchak	Dec 2012	#29
The original American Horror Story	graywarrior	Dec 2012	#33
Someone needs to make an editorial cartoon	Sen. Walter Sobchak	Dec 2012	#50
You nailed that one!	graywarrior	Dec 2012	#51
If you can't get them Baker acted, at least talk to police and get a paper trail started.	HooptieWagon	Dec 2012	#32
You don't force people	tama	Dec 2012	#34
Very interesting comment.	graywarrior	Dec 2012	#47
If you ask good psychiatrists	tama	Dec 2012	#53
Absolutely!	graywarrior	Dec 2012	#55
<3	tama	Dec 2012	#63
You rock!	graywarrior	Dec 2012	#66
Bipolar person chiming in here. Just wanted to point out that	GreenPartyVoter	Dec 2012	#70
What a great post, GreenPartyVoter!	graywarrior	Dec 2012	#71
Thanks. :^) I just thought it might help to hear from someone who has the DX.	GreenPartyVoter	Dec 2012	#72
For sure!	graywarrior	Dec 2012	#74
Even treatment is not the only solution to the mentally ill.	randome	Dec 2012	#35
And when the village	tama	Dec 2012	#38
Tama, you've pegged it. Almost makes me hope the Mayan 12/21/12 prediction is correct. nt	jody	Dec 2012	#41
By the look of the world, it is	tama	Dec 2012	#43
Indeed!	graywarrior	Dec 2012	#64
It's very hard to get somebody commited nowadays because it was horribly abused...	Odin2005	Dec 2012	#44
Yes and if a person is a paranoid schizophrenic (like someone else I know) they	graywarrior	Dec 2012	#49
I am in favor of compulsory annual mental health exams for school kids...	Comrade_McKenzie	Dec 2012	#45
Bottom line: You can't. Been there, done that, with a family member.	MotherPetrie	Dec 2012	#52
"Force" is the key word.	Fire Walk With Me	Dec 2012	#56
I think the point is that we don't know who is a threat to themselves or others...	randome	Dec 2012	#58
Eliminate the stigma by acceptance	tama	Dec 2012	#67
That really doesn't help.	randome	Dec 2012	#73
You can't. So the solution is to make mass slaughter virtually impossible for them	riderinthestorm	Dec 2012	#59
It's a complicated issue.	easttexaslefty	Dec 2012	#65
I used to do art therapy in a MA asylum.	graywarrior	Dec 2012	#68
You can call it in but if they passed a MSE and	arthritisR_US	Dec 2012	#69
I heard 85% of us need help	tblue	Dec 2012	#76
You could see a lawyer about getting the person committed to an institution.	JDPriestly	Dec 2012	#78

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