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In the discussion thread: National Review says it is impossible to end routine gun massacres, given 2nd amendment [View all]

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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 10:30 PM

jody (26,624 posts)

8. Govt is not obligated to protect an individual unless in custody. Self-defense is a personal

responsibility.

How does anyone expect a person with below average physical strength to defend themselves against violent crime?

810,000 LEO choose a handgun for self-defense.

Why shouldn't law-abiding citizens have the same choice?

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96 replies	Author	Time	Post
National Review says it is impossible to end routine gun massacres, given 2nd amendment [View all]	Dems to Win	Dec 2012	OP
Human sacrifice? Is that what they're basically advocating?	The Velveteen Ocelot	Dec 2012	#1
Things like this make a mockery of America to the world	AZ Progressive	Dec 2012	#12
Yes. Human Sacrifice is EXACTLY what they are demanding in tribute to their sacred Second Amendment	Dems to Win	Dec 2012	#50
Disgusting, aren't they?	Lone_Star_Dem	Dec 2012	#65
Is it any different than saying "God moves in mysterious ways..."	WCGreen	Dec 2012	#71
Not really.	Lone_Star_Dem	Dec 2012	#80
Does the National Review support eliminating the Second Amendment???	NYC_SKP	Dec 2012	#2
The ease with which so many are willing to sacrifice their rights is scary. nt	Skip Intro	Dec 2012	#6
Oh please you don't need a gun.	white_wolf	Dec 2012	#11
Interestingly, I have a right to own a gun, but no right to own a home	Scootaloo	Dec 2012	#62
We lost our dignity and we sacrificed various rights long ago	fujiyama	Dec 2012	#63
How're you liking your Mossburg 500 killing machine? Happy with its sleek design?	riderinthestorm	Dec 2012	#22
Since you ask: It actually is neither semi-automatic nor using a high capacity magazine.	NYC_SKP	Dec 2012	#27
Info taken from Wiki. Your words in the (deleted OP) admiring its sleek design.	riderinthestorm	Dec 2012	#37
What, exactly, is your complaint about this AWB compliant single shot limited magazine firearm????	NYC_SKP	Dec 2012	#42
The citizens of Newtown just shed a single collective tear for your hurt feelings. NT	Tommy_Carcetti	Dec 2012	#74
Oh no. NR supports sacrificing human children to the great god, Smith and Wesson	Dems to Win	Dec 2012	#55
Ya...look at all those countries in Western Europe with strict gun laws	Cali_Democrat	Dec 2012	#56
If they want to paint themselves into a corner, fine. Everyone else is moving on.	reformist2	Dec 2012	#3
Cause we all know we have never ever, cross my heart,	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2012	#4
Heartsick K, and despairing R for more eyes on this story... nt	riderinthestorm	Dec 2012	#5
But gun regulations aren't (or shouldn't be) about preventing all notorious tragedies	Recursion	Dec 2012	#7
OK fine, let's try to prevent the thousands upon thousands of anonymous tragedies	Dems to Win	Dec 2012	#58
Govt is not obligated to protect an individual unless in custody. Self-defense is a personal	jody	Dec 2012	#8
Your subject line is utterly false.	white_wolf	Dec 2012	#15
An individual? Nope. "the public"? Yes.	X_Digger	Dec 2012	#16
I actually thought of those cases after I posted	white_wolf	Dec 2012	#23
It was a bit of shorthand on his part, I'm sure.	X_Digger	Dec 2012	#29
Sorry I'm right, see CASTLE ROCK V. GONZALES (04-278) 545 U.S. 748 (2005)	jody	Dec 2012	#18
Sorry, you're wrong. Book a 2-week vacation to Somalia. If you get back	DisgustipatedinCA	Dec 2012	#94
Read X_Digger post #16 a more complete explanation than my single Castle Rock v. Gonzales nt	jody	Dec 2012	#95
SCOTUS has ruled against you.	GreenStormCloud	Dec 2012	#26
You can't get off the cops using handguns. That is such a strange argument.	morningfog	Dec 2012	#24
Fair enough. You're right on this point. n/t	white_wolf	Dec 2012	#31
Thanks and have a great evening. nt	jody	Dec 2012	#32
Problem is we hear many stories about crime	treestar	Dec 2012	#79
Please browse DU's RKBA group and you'll find thousands of stories about guns protecting victims. nt	jody	Dec 2012	#81
Many of them have been discredited too	treestar	Dec 2012	#82
Please provide a link to a DU post of use of a firearm to prevent a crime that has been discredited.	jody	Dec 2012	#84
It's easy enough to find if you read all the posts	treestar	Dec 2012	#92
Thanks, I'll wait for your reply. Until then I'll believe you're wrong. nt	jody	Dec 2012	#96
Then Hey, Hey, Ho, Ho, the Second Amendment's got to go...	Agnosticsherbet	Dec 2012	#9
That includes the right to life.	Llewlladdwr	Dec 2012	#10
The national review seems to think gun ownership trumps children's right to life.	Agnosticsherbet	Dec 2012	#13
You have a point. From my unscientific studies	Glassunion	Dec 2012	#14
tsk tsk tsk Post Hoc Propter Ergo Hoc ;)	X_Digger	Dec 2012	#17
Blah de blah...	Glassunion	Dec 2012	#35
Correlation does not imply causation! :P	X_Digger	Dec 2012	#38
I get how the guy was feeling.	Glassunion	Dec 2012	#40
The world revolves on an axis because I wake up every day.	LanternWaste	Dec 2012	#76
Does that mean abortion prevents death? nt	jody	Dec 2012	#33
Perhaps.	Glassunion	Dec 2012	#36
But if one believes life begins at conception, then abortion is death? nt	jody	Dec 2012	#41
However, they have not been afflicted with birth.	Glassunion	Dec 2012	#43
Time to relax with a martini. I'm buying! nt	jody	Dec 2012	#44
Cheers!	Glassunion	Dec 2012	#45
Have Several, Jody. Please. (nt)	Paladin	Dec 2012	#70
Paladin, nice to hear from you. Hope all is well with you in Texas and peace be with you and yours.	jody	Dec 2012	#75
Same To You, Jody. (nt)	Paladin	Dec 2012	#86
the National Review is in support of eliminating the second amendment	samsingh	Dec 2012	#19
I remember wanting to risk terrorist acts to keep civil liberties.	MrSlayer	Dec 2012	#20
I don't think they are the same.	white_wolf	Dec 2012	#25
The logic is the same, though. Regardless, the Bill of Rights is a foundation of this Republic.	Selatius	Dec 2012	#28
Wow.... Hadn't thought of that. Thanks for putting that out there for me to think about	Dems to Win	Dec 2012	#61
It's a right guaranteed in the Constituion.	MrSlayer	Dec 2012	#30
You introduce "freedoms . . . fundamental to a democratic and free society". Did the authors of our	jody	Dec 2012	#46
I'm not speaking purely from a legal perspective here.	white_wolf	Dec 2012	#54
Agree but when one considers the history of rights, philosophers always place right to defend self at	jody	Dec 2012	#57
well, that's easy to say if you don't live in NYC. i think the security thing is overdone in the	bettyellen	Dec 2012	#66
I live in Philly.	MrSlayer	Dec 2012	#67
i don't know anyone who really minds the airport screenings in NYC. but we have been targeted	bettyellen	Dec 2012	#68
It's Bagger logic.	MrSlayer	Dec 2012	#69
no, it comes from real life experience. we smelled the WTC burning through the Christmas holidays	bettyellen	Dec 2012	#89
It's not the ten minutes in the airport.	MrSlayer	Dec 2012	#90
i agree the spying, the warentless wiretapping, the email invasion, the torture, the indefinite	bettyellen	Dec 2012	#91
No, murder can not be prevented 100% of the time. Even mass murders.	Honeycombe8	Dec 2012	#21
Yeah, the inability to do everything is not an excuse to do nothing	Recursion	Dec 2012	#34
Which is why 2nd Amendment should be repealed	Pretzel_Warrior	Dec 2012	#39
Do you facebook? Check out this page, "Repeal the Second Amendment"	Dems to Win	Dec 2012	#47
and the first amendment should be strengthened...	sanatanadharma	Dec 2012	#48
If 2A were repealed, RKBA would be protected as an unenumerated right by the Ninth Amendment. nt	jody	Dec 2012	#49
When the second amendment is repealed, I shall see you in court.Deadly weapons are not a human right	Dems to Win	Dec 2012	#52
Please read DC v Heller and McDonald v Chicago on RKBA protected by our Constitution. nt	jody	Dec 2012	#53
There you go, so don't even try! 20 dead completely innocent children	rustydog	Dec 2012	#51
Please don't misinterpret my posting of this article. Go ahead and work in the way you deem most	Dems to Win	Dec 2012	#60
excellent, thanks for posting.	Voice for Peace	Dec 2012	#59
They also said the shooter was successful because there wasn't any big man to save them.	Lone_Star_Dem	Dec 2012	#64
This Thread Serves As Confirmation Of What We Already Knew:	Paladin	Dec 2012	#72
Repeal the 2nd amendment and ditch the electoral college	librechik	Dec 2012	#73
2A is whatever you want it to be.	moondust	Dec 2012	#77
The Second Amendment can indeed be repealed	treestar	Dec 2012	#78
Please sign the petition to repeal the second amendment, see my sig	Dems to Win	Dec 2012	#83
Tried to	treestar	Dec 2012	#93
Chill the fuck out, National Review. Barack's got this one.	Bucky	Dec 2012	#85
Does anyone really think the National Review is even relevant anymore?	smirkymonkey	Dec 2012	#87
I am shocked, shocked...	truebluegreen	Dec 2012	#88

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