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Whisp

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167. capitulation

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:05 PM

Dec 2012

such a big word for little faiths.

exactly how many times did Obama do this capitulation thing? Was he free and open to get exactly what he wanted but 'caved, capitulated and broke down' just for the fun of it? Is the opposition in congress just a figment of our imaginations?

what utter trashy rubbish garbage that you would count the 'capitulations' over 4 years.

please name them.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] bigtree Dec 2012 OP

Yep, everyone hush up until Carney confirms everything. sadbear Dec 2012 #1

Some of us have memories that extend beyond the most recent set of talking points Fumesucker Dec 2012 #2

And some have agendas supported by fantasies. MineralMan Dec 2012 #159

You are perceptive, that is precisely my point Fumesucker Dec 2012 #163

Remain calm!!! All is well!!! All is wellllll !!!! DefenseLawyer Dec 2012 #3

K and R. n/t NRaleighLiberal Dec 2012 #4

Thank you jberryhill Dec 2012 #5

Thank you mimi85 Dec 2012 #92

And some people would deny President Obama hurts seniors when they are living in boxes. forestpath Dec 2012 #6

Denial is not a river? kentuck Dec 2012 #10

They need hip boots to wade in their denial, that's for sure. forestpath Dec 2012 #22

Ain't that the truth. But not in the way you think. bullwinkle428 Dec 2012 #7

The sock puppets and trolls are just doing what they're paid to do: Itchinjim Dec 2012 #8

Not to mention, those focusing on just one aspect of "deal" and ignoring good it does in other ways Hoyt Dec 2012 #9

Just like forgetting.... daleanime Dec 2012 #31

USA USA bahrbearian Dec 2012 #11

SAU SAU progressoid Dec 2012 #34

Just keep swimming, just keep swimming... n/t Earth_First Dec 2012 #12

Carney confirmed it Enrique Dec 2012 #13

He could send up rockets, skywriters, put a billboard on every corner, they'd still deny it. forestpath Dec 2012 #26

bigtree thinks he's a better mind reader than everybody else here, lol. Where's his "links"? xtraxritical Dec 2012 #104

Nancy Pelosi confirmed it too by saying she could get the votes Liberalynn Dec 2012 #180

I'm blown away by it all madokie Dec 2012 #14

If you like SS cuts, maybe freeperville would be a good place to park Doctor_J Dec 2012 #18

How did you get that out of what I said? madokie Dec 2012 #33

It was so simple to understand , even I got it. bahrbearian Dec 2012 #48

Got -- what? Dude, your brain's on fire! byronius Dec 2012 #86

If he says the changes, IF ANY, he makes will not hurt seniors... Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #79

He's on TV right now pscot Dec 2012 #141

***FUDr ATTACKS*** They smack of them right down to the "I saw it on CNN" crap uponit7771 Dec 2012 #15

Huh? eom ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2012 #130

well said. K&R Whisp Dec 2012 #16

And when it actually IS confirmed, we'll be told Doctor_J Dec 2012 #17

another thing we will hear Enrique Dec 2012 #20

word Doctor_J Dec 2012 #21

Doctor_J, they will blame us as they always do. Their hero can do no wrong even when he forestpath Dec 2012 #24

HAH. It's been "confirmed" for 4 years now. NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #73

yep NoMoreWarNow Dec 2012 #74

Amen! n/t marew Dec 2012 #100

This is the biggest bullshit post you will read today. kentuck Dec 2012 #19

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #27

Very close. kentuck Dec 2012 #30

It's against DU rules to call members out by name. Blue_Roses Dec 2012 #42

Actually, that changed with DU3, the current incarnation of DU. Jamastiene Dec 2012 #52

Looks like Bobbie Jo Dec 2012 #63

correct use of punctuation Viva_La_Revolution Dec 2012 #77

What a rare and pleasant surprise to find somebody who Surya Gayatri Dec 2012 #165

Sorry bigtree. The White House confirmed it. Autumn Dec 2012 #23

confirmed? heaven05 Dec 2012 #37

How about Jay Carney? You know, the White House spokesman. Obamas spokesman. Autumn Dec 2012 #43

can you heaven05 Dec 2012 #49

Sure I can. Can you spell stupid? Autumn Dec 2012 #54

slick heaven05 Dec 2012 #138

If it was a 'trial balloon', then DU is right to shoot it down muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #75

true heaven05 Dec 2012 #107

Can you spell 'lie'? Doctor_J Dec 2012 #96

Link? Transcript? nt Javaman Dec 2012 #57

Sure Autumn Dec 2012 #88

huh, what I see is this... Javaman Dec 2012 #108

Then you aren't looking or reading, the link is there. Autumn Dec 2012 #114

Did I say he was a liar? Javaman Dec 2012 #122

My hair isn't on fire. Autumn Dec 2012 #127

It was wrong to say your hair was on fire... Javaman Dec 2012 #149

Grandma may lose her heat, some food, maybe her life. but it's just a technical change. jtuck004 Dec 2012 #175

That's right, and if you are a Veteran who served this country Autumn Dec 2012 #182

please post a link to the exact statement you refer to. The White House website has all comments up. Sunlei Dec 2012 #61

Here Autumn Dec 2012 #109

I prefer the activist route. ananda Dec 2012 #25

Yes! I agree! By posting concerns it gets people to take action before it is too late! Sadiedog Dec 2012 #29

I blame some of this on trial balloons sent out wide and far, to see what the reaction will be riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #28

I think it is a little more than a grain of salt. NCTraveler Dec 2012 #83

I was speaking in generalities, rather than the specifics of this deal riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #105

Get Real watoos Dec 2012 #32

I emailed also! marew Dec 2012 #36

It is difficult to understand that people will not believe what has been confirmed by the WH olegramps Dec 2012 #45

bravo heaven05 Dec 2012 #35

It has been confirmed by the White House!!!! marew Dec 2012 #38

link please! Whisp Dec 2012 #40

Obama finally admits cuts to Medicare, Social Security are on the table 12/12/2012 12:32pm marew Dec 2012 #67

Horseshit. Obama has "finally admitted" no such thing. NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #78

Obviously your head is in the "c***"! marew Dec 2012 #93

Put up or shut up. YOU said " Obama finally admits" NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #95

Duh genius! marew Dec 2012 #121

No shit. But YOU posted the article! NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #131

Bernie was shitting his pants over the public option too Whisp Dec 2012 #119

Ad hominen attacks against Bernie Sanders? LOL! That's all you've got! marew Dec 2012 #126

I like Bernie as much as the next guy/gal here Whisp Dec 2012 #137

I see the next stage of greiving is in progress Doctor_J Dec 2012 #162

capitulation Whisp Dec 2012 #167

the top link: Whisp Dec 2012 #113

Obama Social Security offer at odds with top Dems marew Dec 2012 #81

Publicly, the top Democrats are at odds with Obama's offer. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #124

Seems you are the purveyor of 'crap' and denial!!!! marew Dec 2012 #89

Enrique quoted it in #13; here's the White House Transcript muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #99

Thank you! n/t marew Dec 2012 #123

okay heaven05 Dec 2012 #46

This message was self-deleted by its author heaven05 Dec 2012 #50

PROOF! ywcachieve Dec 2012 #60

Posted above! marew Dec 2012 #69

Your post is untrue. Obama made it plethoro Dec 2012 #39

Most proof of your accusation. Only solid proof is valid when statements are made. ywcachieve Dec 2012 #65

The White House spokesmen made the statement. I saw it. It was not a trial balloon.....nft plethoro Dec 2012 #84

Exactly! n/t marew Dec 2012 #129

"even before re-election". Bullshit... SidDithers Dec 2012 #128

so many heaven05 Dec 2012 #41

Shameful? davidthegnome Dec 2012 #59

Obama heaven05 Dec 2012 #132

Check your mailbox, I think President Obama was sending out handwritten letters today. n/t A Simple Game Dec 2012 #171

Unreliable sources to promote the president okay? caseymoz Dec 2012 #44

Usually the only thing providing a source does is give them something else to complain about. A Simple Game Dec 2012 #176

Ask yourself: would it have mattered? caseymoz Dec 2012 #181

thanks bigtree barbtries Dec 2012 #47

This site says 'Democratic' Underground, but it is not. ywcachieve Dec 2012 #56

+1000 Javaman Dec 2012 #51

LMSP loves bigtree...and hopes his Christmas is merry. littlemissmartypants Dec 2012 #53

We need an "uskewed" version of DU. dawg Dec 2012 #55

ITA.... Sheepshank Dec 2012 #58

Yup... SidDithers Dec 2012 #62

This is a business, Sid, controversy drives clicks which drives profits Fumesucker Dec 2012 #82

Yup. woo me with science Dec 2012 #94

It's almost astonishing how corrosive the effects of money are on morality Fumesucker Dec 2012 #110

BEST EXPLANATION arjazz Dec 2012 #98

The problem is we wait and react. We do not lead/push policy which is what needs to happen. WCLinolVir Dec 2012 #64

But who woulda thought a Dem Prez would screw over seniors? leftstreet Dec 2012 #85

Dear Bigtree. This is Democratic UNDERGROUND, the loyal opposition kickysnana Dec 2012 #66

Great post, kickysnana..................nft plethoro Dec 2012 #90

Excellent post davidthegnome Dec 2012 #115

THANK YOU!! Totally agree with everything you wrote. nt rivegauche Dec 2012 #68

Why am I reminded of this exchange from the 1993 movie "Tombstone?" OldRedneck Dec 2012 #70

YES. I HATE HATE HATE when DUers post rumors with no credible source!!!! Nye Bevan Dec 2012 #71

Priceless! Wind Dancer Dec 2012 #91

These rumors are awful! Doctor_J Dec 2012 #101

Oh Snap!! Liberal_Dog Dec 2012 #178

I agree ! Raggaemon Dec 2012 #72

Kicked, Recommended and Bookmarked! I can't thank you enough bigtree!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #76

Thanks for this post. byronius Dec 2012 #80

+1 freshwest Dec 2012 #173

This looks suspiciously like a GCW post enlightenment Dec 2012 #87

So why isn't the White House DENYING these reports? MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #97

Denying them one day after confirming them would be too obvious Doctor_J Dec 2012 #102

Go ahead. 99Forever Dec 2012 #103

Hyperbolic nonsense based on vapor. Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #120

Watch and learn, Grasshopper. 99Forever Dec 2012 #152

Well said, i think I will also take a break from here for a while loyalkydem Dec 2012 #106

OH THE HUMANITY!! renie408 Dec 2012 #111

Hmm... davidthegnome Dec 2012 #118

I agree. renie408 Dec 2012 #136

I get the impression thart that is the intention. Coyotl Dec 2012 #112

Im surprised everyone is in such a rush to attack Obama LostinRed Dec 2012 #116

Your problem is that we have too much experience with President Obama to disregard that. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #133

Too true! marew Dec 2012 #135

You want a credible source? How about Sen Durbin? He says that he wants chained-CPI, but not AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #117

absolutely 100% correct spanone Dec 2012 #125

A simple solution. Televise all the negotiations. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2012 #134

Didn't take long for the bully in bigtree to come back out MattBaggins Dec 2012 #139

Thank you for posting this bigtree. PotatoChip Dec 2012 #140

Alas, the place is already a joke-- you've been here through... TreasonousBastard Dec 2012 #142

The NYT and NPR can no longer be trusted to print the truth Fumesucker Dec 2012 #146

See? I told ya this would happen. TreasonousBastard Dec 2012 #155

So you trust proven liars? n/t Fumesucker Dec 2012 #156

You're making a big deal out of nothing Jersey Devil Dec 2012 #143

Lots of low count posters on this thread Sugarcoated Dec 2012 #144

The election is over. If they are opposing the destruction of SS, they should be welcomed. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #148

Yes, it now seems that those opposed to cutting SS are in danger of Doctor_J Dec 2012 #153

Some possibilities: 1) Stockholm Syndrom; 2) Donald Segretti / Karl Rove types; 3) kids operating AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #160

Only Certain People KNOW What Lurks On Obama's Soul! Only THEY Know His Deep, Dark Motivations!! Skraxx Dec 2012 #145

Thank you. FLyellowdog Dec 2012 #147

You miss a big point 1-Old-Man Dec 2012 #150

Agree healthnut7 Dec 2012 #151

This message was self-deleted by its author freshwest Dec 2012 #154

Deficit 4 more years Dec 2012 #157

You are correct, across the board. MineralMan Dec 2012 #158

An old union negotiator once told me watoos Dec 2012 #161

Let me correct you friend. JNelson6563 Dec 2012 #164

What a bunch of decisive garbage. Rex Dec 2012 #166

Mirror mirror on the wall PufPuf23 Dec 2012 #168

Your gross generalizations about critics of the President blackspade Dec 2012 #169

Hmmm MNBrewer Dec 2012 #170

Yup, don't post anything, let the brilliance of 3-dimensional chess play out... joeybee12 Dec 2012 #172

Yep, the PUMAs are out in force billh58 Dec 2012 #174

Stop with the PUMA vitriol, please. I supported Obama. Please read this. madfloridian Dec 2012 #177

I'm with Bigtree. The rats are already deserting the ship brush Dec 2012 #179