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BlueCaliDem

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65. Frustrating, isn't it?

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:04 PM

Dec 2012

I sometimes wonder the very same thing. I never knew "Democrats" could hate so much on a Democratic president especially on a Democratic MB.

Thank you for the link. It's curious that the post at that link you've provided only got 13 rec's but this misleading one already has 29 and it was just posted!

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From the White House transcript: Obama DID include Chained CPI in negotiations. [View all] madfloridian Dec 2012 OP

I won't believe it until Obama shows up on my front porch and says so in person! villager Dec 2012 #1

I'd laugh out loud Jim Warren Dec 2012 #6

I still wouldn't believe it! (n/t) WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2012 #9

If he does, he'd better have some premium cat food with him. gkhouston Dec 2012 #87

With peas or no? jsr Dec 2012 #119

That's dog food. Know your protein sources. gkhouston Dec 2012 #131

"he would make sure that the most vulnerable were exempted out from this change" jberryhill Dec 2012 #128

Not making the change in the first place would be a way to accomplish that. n/t gkhouston Dec 2012 #133

+1 n/t southern_belle Dec 2012 #178

To include this is being dishonest on promises not to cut Soc. Sec. madfloridian Dec 2012 #2

All I ever need to know about President Obama. He threw the vulnerable under the bus forestpath Dec 2012 #3

He's done that before. ananda Dec 2012 #10

Yeah. Just no so blatantly and proudly, I guess. forestpath Dec 2012 #21

Specifics? George II Dec 2012 #85

Specifics gussmith Dec 2012 #108

Your concern is noted. Please feel free to share more of your concerns, and enjoy your stay. nt msanthrope Dec 2012 #135

You sound like you think only trolls have that opinion. n/t cui bono Dec 2012 #165

Does it not matter to you ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #104

I am not among "most vulnerable". I want protection from it as well. madfloridian Dec 2012 #113

Because ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #115

And just who femrap Dec 2012 #185

Chained CPI is a specific, known entity. Bake Dec 2012 #125

I don't trust a word out of Carney's mouth. forestpath Dec 2012 #155

Not really. They said they weren't going to touch SS in the first place. cui bono Dec 2012 #166

"he would make sure that the most vulnerable were exempted out from this change" jberryhill Dec 2012 #129

Sure. I believe it. Why shouldn't we all? AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #153

This not the first time. And he isn't doing this alone. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #152

Reliable source? madfloridian Dec 2012 #4

You are correct! marew Dec 2012 #5

Well, this post is dropping quickly. madfloridian Dec 2012 #7

Well, GOBAMA! is speaking now... WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2012 #12

Many don't want to see what the don't want to see. Skip Intro Dec 2012 #15

Sad but true UndahCovah Dec 2012 #75

Very well said Liberalynn Dec 2012 #81

I guess you missed this part ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #106

So when your first belief is shattered, you have a fall-back position? AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #154

Another vague excuse for why doing a thing he promised not to do is actually not so bad. Marr Dec 2012 #194

"he would make sure that the most vulnerable were exempted out from this change" jberryhill Dec 2012 #130

NO! This can't be true. Obama is the new FDR! leftstreet Dec 2012 #8

Naw. President Obama hasn't set up intern camps so he's no FDR. BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #57

He entered it into negotiations. madfloridian Dec 2012 #11

You are NOT posting misinformation. You are posting the facts. But when the facts sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #13

It angers me to have the truth treated with anger. madfloridian Dec 2012 #17

That's nothing new here. Throughout the election this was the case. Any sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #22

I haven't been able to get through to Nelson. madfloridian Dec 2012 #150

Don't you dare leave again. Melinda Dec 2012 #32

Don't leave again, please. caseymoz Dec 2012 #93

"he would make sure that the most vulnerable were exempted out from this change" jberryhill Dec 2012 #132

Stop spamming. cui bono Dec 2012 #167

I'd love to sell you a car. Marr Dec 2012 #195

While you're talking femrap Dec 2012 #188

It just doesn't fit the narrative that some here Autumn Dec 2012 #14

Not the end of the world. nt Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #16

No, just the end of some elderly and disabled lives. cui bono Dec 2012 #168

Standing on common ground with Republicans is equivalent to randr Dec 2012 #18

OT - I want to say that's a mixed metaphor, even though coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #41

Oh Bah. What does Jay Carney know? progressoid Dec 2012 #19

The key is HOW the change is implemented--if low income people are spared the effect geek tragedy Dec 2012 #20

Well, all they have to do is talk to the people. I trust Dean Baker and sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #23

It's on the table because Republicans control the House of Representatives. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #51

Democrats control the Senate and the WH. So we do not expect any bad policy sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #68

How are the Republicans doing, scorecard wise? geek tragedy Dec 2012 #78

"Republicans control the House of Representatives" because Blue-Dog Democrats betrayed us. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #157

We lost because it was a shitty economy, voters were pissed, and the Democrats geek tragedy Dec 2012 #161

Yes, why is it even on the table. madfloridian Dec 2012 #142

That is just not true. That is blatant spin. madfloridian Dec 2012 #25

See this from Greg Sargent:: geek tragedy Dec 2012 #49

I read that. madfloridian Dec 2012 #61

There are lots of things our party should not consider. Unfortunately, we have geek tragedy Dec 2012 #77

except it won't ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #109

What about those who NOT most vulnerable? Middle class, etc. madfloridian Dec 2012 #111

That's all you got? "most vulnerable" is entirely too vague, subjective and arbitrary. Divernan Dec 2012 #122

Ooooh! The Third Way is shifting from denial to justification! woo me with science Dec 2012 #26

Oh bite me, your trite "third way" smear of anyone who tries to actually discuss the issue tiresome geek tragedy Dec 2012 #43

This WAS the plan of the Third Way, literally. I posted about it. madfloridian Dec 2012 #54

Sure, and I take it as an insult to be lumped in with the third way. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #56

It is cutting Social Security. Just what Democrats should NOT do. madfloridian Dec 2012 #62

In what way are you different from the third way? AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #158

It is unfortunate that any kind of nuanced discussion seems to you a sign of moral depravity. nt geek tragedy Dec 2012 #159

You are the one that said that you are not a third-wayer. If true, in what way are you AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #162

I think chained-CPI is a lousy idea. My preferred policy solution would geek tragedy Dec 2012 #163

So you're a Defeatist Third Wayer. cui bono Dec 2012 #170

You'd prefer Medicare or Medicaid cuts? nt geek tragedy Dec 2012 #179

Your statement that "you think chained-CPI is a lousy idea" is undermined by your support of it. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #173

Except I support it only in your imagination. nt geek tragedy Dec 2012 #180

There must be some reason why some people think that you're a third-wayer. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #183

If you say so. nt geek tragedy Dec 2012 #184

"he would make sure that the most vulnerable were exempted out from this change" jberryhill Dec 2012 #134

Exactly the scam I predicted: woo me with science Dec 2012 #138

Stop spamming. cui bono Dec 2012 #171

It's amazing, isn't it? A mere 24 hours ago, the SAME names Marr Dec 2012 #196

By the time Obama's done EVERYONE will be low income leftstreet Dec 2012 #40

Teabagger-style spin: Obama is the enemy of prosperity and wants to make everyone poor!!! geek tragedy Dec 2012 #47

What is funny tama Dec 2012 #143

Compelling fairy tale you've written there. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #149

Just a general observation of DU tama Dec 2012 #177

Low income people will be at the mercy of Congresses bribed by the very rich. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #50

There have been proposals to offset it with increases in benefits to those geek tragedy Dec 2012 #55

Yes, and now the poor will be at the mercy of Democrats. madfloridian Dec 2012 #73

So what? They aren't in control of Congress duffyduff Dec 2012 #100

They do control the House. And Medicare cuts are part of the fiscal cliff. nt geek tragedy Dec 2012 #112

Doesn't matter. Obama doesn't need to kiss their ass. n/t duffyduff Dec 2012 #193

I don't think many DUers femrap Dec 2012 #190

OMG, why accept mediocrity and compromise when NONE is necessary? cui bono Dec 2012 #169

THE SKY IS FALLING, THE SKY IS FALLING!!! Sheepshank Dec 2012 #24

This fear of honest talk about our leaders is what scares me. madfloridian Dec 2012 #27

+1 Have you noticed woo me with science Dec 2012 #33

You lead my post in a different direction altogether.... Sheepshank Dec 2012 #34

What "fear rhetoric" did I post? Be specific. madfloridian Dec 2012 #44

You provide implied misdirection, and you know it. Sheepshank Dec 2012 #71

Wow, now I am "Lying by omission or mis-applying the direction of the discussion"? madfloridian Dec 2012 #89

it is indeed....and not done lightly n/t Sheepshank Dec 2012 #137

+1 Segami Dec 2012 #37

The "shut up" meme. woo me with science Dec 2012 #53

who said shut up? Sheepshank Dec 2012 #74

check the OP. rumors have been dispelled. frylock Dec 2012 #98

Yes, it's about "puking on Obama"! woo me with science Dec 2012 #28

What are your priorities, Woo? I'm still not clear on that. BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #67

Expose Third Way bullshit. That's my priority. :) woo me with science Dec 2012 #84

... BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #92

Two things MFrohike Dec 2012 #189

Two responses to your two things BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #191

Not so fast, my friend MFrohike Dec 2012 #200

Frustrating, isn't it? BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #65

You say the WH transcript has misleading info. I give up. madfloridian Dec 2012 #96

I always wonder why the Obama apologists post on a Dem site. cui bono Dec 2012 #172

If they change the CPI, it means that they do not think that our economy will ever recover JDPriestly Dec 2012 #29

Agreed. That is exactly what they are thinking. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #160

Just words on a page. Did Obama type them himself? dawg Dec 2012 #30

I wish the press was clever enough to ask which Chained CPI. jeff47 Dec 2012 #31

CPI-E for the elderly INCREASES their bennies Sheepshank Dec 2012 #38

Oh my stars! Oilwellian Dec 2012 #174

this mac56 Dec 2012 #48

There is only one chained CPI at present muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #52

And since we're changing the law, we can convert it from experimental to what is used. (nt) jeff47 Dec 2012 #58

Which wouldn't make it chained muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #63

Key thing from Carney is: dennis4868 Dec 2012 #35

That is just happy talk from Carney. madfloridian Dec 2012 #42

Of course you call it happy talk dennis4868 Dec 2012 #99

And how would the President do that when he relies on Congress to make all the KoKo Dec 2012 #60

What KoKo just said. Rex Dec 2012 #80

That's as close to stone as we're going to get prior to the signing, should that occur. Funny, plethoro Dec 2012 #36

Well, If he John2 Dec 2012 #39

"And so it’s not directed at one particular program; it would affect every program that uses CPI." colorado_ufo Dec 2012 #45

yep, you'd think this would be common knowledge by now stupidicus Dec 2012 #46

Denial is rampant here upi402 Dec 2012 #59

good/apt analogy stupidicus Dec 2012 #148

Thank you! The level of denial around here is truly something to behold! n/t markpkessinger Dec 2012 #64

Well, I guess today is the day that we once again learn that there is no Santa Claus. Baitball Blogger Dec 2012 #66

No pony? upi402 Dec 2012 #69

Words from Tom Harkin, video clip. Dangers of chained cpi madfloridian Dec 2012 #70

"MF" and "Sabrina 1" Progressive Dems are organized in fighting back KoKo Dec 2012 #72

I did miss that post. madfloridian Dec 2012 #76

Thanks for posting some concrete information Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2012 #79

Calm down rtracey Dec 2012 #82

Not my point. madfloridian Dec 2012 #88

From what I see, the Republicans put it on the table.... George II Dec 2012 #83

POTUS said such on my tv nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #86

We should be talking about raising the cap on ss not chained cpi. nt abelenkpe Dec 2012 #90

I'm Not Even Sure I UNDERSTAND What This Mean To Me. ChiciB1 Dec 2012 #91

The CPI determines how SS tries to keep up with inflation DireStrike Dec 2012 #94

Here's Bernie Sanders' read on it in graph form. madfloridian Dec 2012 #95

We're not just going to screw you in SS but in every program that uses CPI. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2012 #97

Madfloridian, as a former teacher, can you calculate for us, in real dollars, how much your msanthrope Dec 2012 #101

No, I was not a math or economics teacher. Not in my job description. madfloridian Dec 2012 #103

It's an insult to assume you can do math? I think the calculation part is pretty simple--- msanthrope Dec 2012 #127

That really is a sad way to present a case. madfloridian Dec 2012 #144

It's just a technical change so it's all cool. Promise neverforget Dec 2012 #182

Apparently it is enough to pay for wars of choice on credit and private planes for Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #116

I think an actual calculation would be helpful to bring home the impact on seniors.... msanthrope Dec 2012 #124

OK, what part of "negotiation" don't you understand? intaglio Dec 2012 #102

Will he exempt middle class from becoming most vulnerable? madfloridian Dec 2012 #107

Here's what I get: ProSense Dec 2012 #105

Agree in part. But it's been planned a while. madfloridian Dec 2012 #110

It can't be said enough. n/t ProSense Dec 2012 #202

What' you're going to believe a right-wing rag like the WH web site? Doctor_J Dec 2012 #114

..... madfloridian Dec 2012 #120

Yeah, can you believe these people? MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #123

I'm not going to believe it until I hear it directly from the president! Doctor_J Dec 2012 #145

And how do we know it's the President? MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #146

Spew! Oilwellian Dec 2012 #175

Bwah! woo me with science Dec 2012 #187

K & R & AzDar Dec 2012 #117

I want that statement signed by the president himself, and certified in long form. jsr Dec 2012 #118

Putting or allowing chained CPI on the negotiating table JEB Dec 2012 #121

"he would make sure that the most vulnerable were exempted out from this change" jberryhill Dec 2012 #126

Only those not vulnerable would suffer, and then they become vulnerable as well. madfloridian Dec 2012 #139

What a fucking scam. woo me with science Dec 2012 #156

There's a thorough, long discussion of this at HuffPost by R. J. Eskow madfloridian Dec 2012 #136

Thank you for that link. nt woo me with science Dec 2012 #186

It's an article with good coverage, various views. madfloridian Dec 2012 #197

Thank you MF. Jakes Progress Dec 2012 #140

He dood it. aquart Dec 2012 #141

Yes, he did. madfloridian Dec 2012 #147

Of course he did. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #151

Well, let's be clear about one thing... cui bono Dec 2012 #164

That part really bothered me. Doesn't make it acceptable. madfloridian Dec 2012 #176

DU REC +1 nt Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #181

No, you just like to post anything that SOUND anti-Obama. NashvilleLefty Dec 2012 #192

Only on education and the safety nets. madfloridian Dec 2012 #198

With implementation rules that are essentially a means-test bhikkhu Dec 2012 #199

I really doubt it. We get hit very hard in taxes because we have other income. madfloridian Dec 2012 #201

Who Me? starzdust22 Feb 2013 #203