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In reply to the discussion: So, no actual deal. No final decisions. No bills signed. Yet Obama bashing. SHAMEFUL ! [View all]Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)88. I have seen this scenario play out many times
in the last four years.
If it plays out differently this time, I'll apologize, but at the moment I think we are being sold out
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So, no actual deal. No final decisions. No bills signed. Yet Obama bashing. SHAMEFUL ! [View all]
RBInMaine
Dec 2012
OP
It's the Republican policies -- like the ongoing attacks on the 4th Amendment -- that are
villager
Dec 2012
#76
Huh? I do object. People here seem to have issues when other folks object to these GOP policies.
villager
Dec 2012
#91
this OP is already telling is that horrible is once again gonna be the best there is
hfojvt
Dec 2012
#96
The white house leaked the information. Presumably they didn't mind if people discussed the
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#3
Exactly. which is why the line "shut up while he's negotiating" seems frankly bizarre. Make the
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#7
When it's obama who put it on the table, then it's obama who owns it. Not a good way to make
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#12
so what? what does that have to do with people criticizing chained cpi? and who threatened
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#114
why would people who don't want SS cut vote for someone who'd voted to cut SS? It's not
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#117
actually, the source cited is a democratic senate aide. maybe it's a lie, but that's what was
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#21
Very true. While it might be kinder to the president to hold our tongues, we have
GreenPartyVoter
Dec 2012
#109
I hear ya about the alleged "progressives" and their Obama bashing, but...
TreasonousBastard
Dec 2012
#11
I belive the technical terms include "holding his feet to the fire" or "making him do it"
JHB
Dec 2012
#18
So tell me, how does Obama pull that back and not look like bad faith negotiator?
HereSince1628
Dec 2012
#22
k, so how many things are in that "coloring book" picture & what would the same picture look like
patrice
Dec 2012
#65
I didn't "answer" because the question is flawed by oversimplification, you asked "how" about
patrice
Dec 2012
#95
If the other side is offering something fake, I would consider the same tactic, BUT I
patrice
Dec 2012
#102
Since the other side is not negotiating in good faith, what would be the point of offering what
patrice
Dec 2012
#123
Funny how when President Obama doesn't act like a Democrat, a lot of people don't vote
forestpath
Dec 2012
#27
Blah, blah, blah. Mustn't complain until it's to late to do anything about it. When we lose
Egalitarian Thug
Dec 2012
#33
It's not about complaining, per se. It's about how that's done & not admitting the limitations in
patrice
Dec 2012
#63
And lose you will. Every time. And after you get your well-deserved beating, you will come crawling
Egalitarian Thug
Dec 2012
#121
I really don't understand, honestly I don't. Why don't you consider "lose you will" a possibility
patrice
Dec 2012
#122
You completely miss the point. Losing is always a possibility, but every time our way has been
Egalitarian Thug
Dec 2012
#124
Naughty, NAUGHTY Democrats! Stop this instant! Wait till we hear the final word, and then be told,
Safetykitten
Dec 2012
#39
An aweful lot of people around here cutting ground out from under THEIR OWN positions. Strange, huh?
patrice
Dec 2012
#61
Rational critique is good, but HORSESHIT HURTS YOUR OWN CASE. Why are people doing that?
patrice
Dec 2012
#62
SHAPEFUL, and hopeful that the end result can still be shaped as Obama promised.
Coyotl
Dec 2012
#64
ALL true. . . . SO! this is about how what happens between 2) and 3) happens & telegraphing YOUR OWN
patrice
Dec 2012
#74
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patrice
Dec 2012
#85
I agree with the substance of your post, but I take issue with your history of the
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#92
If anyone saw the "Impeach Obama" thread last night: THAT is the kind of shit this OP
NYC Liberal
Dec 2012
#97
Do we get to talk about it after we're screwed? And, the Prez doesn't have to compromise.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Dec 2012
#112