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Xithras

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16. You make the assumption that elections will always be fair

Reply to DetlefK (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:09 PM

Dec 2012

Personally, I've never bought into the "gotta defend ourselves against the government angle", but just for the sake of discussion:

Let's say that, in 2014, the Republicans take the Senate. In 2016 they take the White House. It's a purely Republican government.

In 2017 we receive unquestionable proof that the Republican Party colluded with Diebold to steal the elections, and that they shouldn't have control of either. Think it can't happen? There are MANY people right here on this board who suspect that elections have ALREADY been influenced to change outcomes in some races. It's idiotic to claim that it could never happen here, or that there aren't people in our government who wouldn't do this in a heartbeat if they thought they could get away with it.

Would fighting back be legitimate THEN?

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Bearing arms to fend of a tyrannic government... [View all] DetlefK Dec 2012 OP

Tyranny: An organized effort to end slavery as a cherished tradition and way of life. Loudly Dec 2012 #1

After Kent State riqster Dec 2012 #2

I was thinking along the same lines KansDem Dec 2012 #3

It's a stupid, paranoid argument. The best control against bad gov't is voting. Bucky Dec 2012 #4

2A is about an individual's RKBA for self defense. Congress has all the authority it needs for the jody Dec 2012 #5

No, actually, it isn't Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #8

Thanks for your opinion but DC v Heller defines the law and 2A is about individual self-defense. Get jody Dec 2012 #9

Until such a time as it's reviewed by a later Court decision. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #10

Dissents by Stevens & Breyer cite PA(1776) & VT(1777) constitutions that declare natural, inherent, jody Dec 2012 #11

You're extremely wrong Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #12

Read the PA & VT constitutions that use those words. Stevens acknowledged those constitutions. jody Dec 2012 #15

No, actually, it isn't Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #18

What do you mean with your general statement "No, actually, it isn't"? nt jody Dec 2012 #19

"isn't indisputably an inalienable right". Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #20

I believe McDonald v. Chicago did incorporate the Second in the Fourteenth, see wikipedia jody Dec 2012 #22

I guess Marinedem Dec 2012 #6

That doesn't hold any water. DetlefK Dec 2012 #7

You make the assumption that elections will always be fair Xithras Dec 2012 #16

Morality and legality aren't the same. DetlefK Dec 2012 #21

That's how this country was formed, though. It's hard to reconcile. nt Romulox Dec 2012 #13

Don't forget reason #2 the coming race war. Ganja Ninja Dec 2012 #14

They need reminded that Red Dawn is not a documentary. n/t cynatnite Dec 2012 #17