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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 10:38 AM

Semantics for progressives (how to avoid getting side tracked) [View all]

Look, I support many of the various progressive positions on gun control. But people are using extremely imprecise language and it leads to thread drift as the gun enthusiasts get all pedantic.

Semi-automatic: Most guns are semi-automatics. A few target rifles, and alot of shotguns aren't, but virtually all handguns and I'd guess "most" rifles are. All it means is that a fresh round is loaded in the chamber as part of the firing process. It's not really all that much different from a revolver (six shooter) except those tend to (but not all) position the next round as part of the trigger pulling process, instead of after.

Automatic weapons: They are already "illegal". Well, they are highly controlled and you need a federal license to own one. They aren't all that common although you can usually find a gun range around that has one you can fire (for a fee, they go through ammo fast too, which usually ain't cheap).

Assault Weapon: This one really riles the gun enthusiasts. It is an expression that was created by the gun control lobby as part of the '94 bill. (Kinda like "partial birth abortion" was created by the anti-abortion crowd). There are "assault rifles" but they weren't what was banned. Truth is, it is very hard to determine if the Bushmaster was an assault weapon because the legal definition was so tortured. I believe Feinstein has made some attempt this time around to improve on the definition. But the truth is if you are calling for their ban, you probably don't actually know what you are asking for. Some lobbyists and legislators probably do, but very few other people actually know (including alot of gun enthusiasts).

Assault Weapons Ban Effectiveness: Several academic studies have attempted to determine what effect, if any, they '94 ban had. They can't find anything. One can jump to false conclusions from that result, but none the less there isn't alot of data to indicate any particular kind of effect (other than maybe increasing the value of the "grandfathered" weapons).

The sad part is of course that little of this has any real bearing on the "discussion" we're suppose to be having. But it does tend to derail a discussion that is easily derailed to begin with.

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