So, no actual deal. No final decisions. No bills signed. Yet Obama bashing. SHAMEFUL ! [View all]

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First, before the hyperbolic Obama bashing, why not consider the REALITY, for a change, once again if at all possible, of having to GOVERN, like it or not, with a House of Reps that, THANKS TO WAY WAY WAY TOO MANY "PROGRESSIVES" staying home and bitching about lack of purity in 2010 got taken over by the RePUKES (along with TONS of states) allowing them to gerrymander the districts and allowed them to still the control the House along with several more Senate seats than they had after the 08 election. They sat home and bitched and whined.

Well guess what, NOW THEY GOT WHAT THEY ASKED FOR ! The House is still controlled by the Pukes, there are still more PUKES in the Senate than there were after 08, so now Obama is still stuck having to govern with these people. Yes, GOVERN. COMPROMISE MUST HAPPEN in a nation founded on the very PRINCIPLE of it. Don't think so? Try reading an 8th grade history book.

Sorry, but NO ONE gets to stay home, let the Pukes take over the House, then bitch because now Obama has the Pukes to deal with. That is just ridiculous thinking. RIDICULOUS.

And, NO deal has been finalized. NO bill has been passed. Let's just let this thing play out and see what happens as people continue to sign online petitions and call their reps to voice their opinions. And MOST IMPORTANTLY let's just see if in 2014 ALL "progressives" will learn the brutal lesson of 2010. Stay home and let the Pukes take over, and guess what, DO NOT THEN BITCH, because elections have consequences.

Churchill said it best: STUDY HISTORY STUDY HISTORY STUDY HISTORY (and LEARN from it !).

PS: Democrats are not and never will be, nor ever should be, allowed to become the TeaLeft.

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So, no actual deal. No final decisions. No bills signed. Yet Obama bashing. SHAMEFUL ! [View all]	RBInMaine	Dec 2012	OP
...	Fumesucker	Dec 2012	#1
Wow! Rec.	AnotherMcIntosh	Dec 2012	#101
maybe you missed the three previous episodes	rurallib	Dec 2012	#2
Maybe it's the gratuitous hyperbole	Bobbie Jo	Dec 2012	#44
And don't forget ...	1StrongBlackMan	Dec 2012	#58
Classic.	Bobbie Jo	Dec 2012	#73
It's the Republican policies -- like the ongoing attacks on the 4th Amendment -- that are	villager	Dec 2012	#76
Then object!	Bobbie Jo	Dec 2012	#90
Huh? I do object. People here seem to have issues when other folks object to these GOP policies.	villager	Dec 2012	#91
Outstanding!	Bobbie Jo	Dec 2012	#100
I call TOTAL BS on the OP. What good is objection if it's made after the fact?	leveymg	Dec 2012	#93
"republican in Democrat's clothing"	bvar22	Dec 2012	#119
this OP is already telling is that horrible is once again gonna be the best there is	hfojvt	Dec 2012	#96
The white house leaked the information. Presumably they didn't mind if people discussed the	HiPointDem	Dec 2012	#3
maybe Obama needs us to cry holy hell	eShirl	Dec 2012	#4
Exactly. which is why the line "shut up while he's negotiating" seems frankly bizarre. Make the	HiPointDem	Dec 2012	#7
Then make the Republicans own it. Just don't come	Skidmore	Dec 2012	#8
When it's obama who put it on the table, then it's obama who owns it. Not a good way to make	HiPointDem	Dec 2012	#12
Individual interpretation is a strange thing.	renie408	Dec 2012	#71
so what? what does that have to do with people criticizing chained cpi? and who threatened	HiPointDem	Dec 2012	#114
Actually, I have seen several posters in the past couple of days say	renie408	Dec 2012	#115
why would people who don't want SS cut vote for someone who'd voted to cut SS? It's not	HiPointDem	Dec 2012	#117
Agreed	democrattotheend	Dec 2012	#116
bullshit	bigtree	Dec 2012	#20
actually, the source cited is a democratic senate aide. maybe it's a lie, but that's what was	HiPointDem	Dec 2012	#21
I believe it was Jay Carney, the WH Press Sec.	Bake	Dec 2012	#32
YES	Liberalynn	Dec 2012	#41
So in other words you have nothing but rumor and innuendo as usual.	tjwash	Dec 2012	#43
Rational discussion is one thing.	renie408	Dec 2012	#67
Waiting until after a deal is signed to object is really too late.	fasttense	Dec 2012	#5
Exactly. Nt	newfie11	Dec 2012	#6
People who didn't object	hay rick	Dec 2012	#17
+1000	OnionPatch	Dec 2012	#28
Very true. While it might be kinder to the president to hold our tongues, we have	GreenPartyVoter	Dec 2012	#109
Just one small point...	kentuck	Dec 2012	#9
I'm not so sure about that.	Sekhmets Daughter	Dec 2012	#35
"You can't claim they are all 'progressives' "	kentuck	Dec 2012	#47
No, but it is safe to say	Sekhmets Daughter	Dec 2012	#69
Balloons were floated. Shoot them down or else. nt	Bonobo	Dec 2012	#10
Yep. Let them know that we didn't re-elect them to be sellouts.	reformist2	Dec 2012	#15
I hear ya about the alleged "progressives" and their Obama bashing, but...	TreasonousBastard	Dec 2012	#11
Governing Vs. Politicking...	KharmaTrain	Dec 2012	#13
.	Prometheus_unbound	Dec 2012	#14
Thank you.	GoCubsGo	Dec 2012	#16
I belive the technical terms include "holding his feet to the fire" or "making him do it"	JHB	Dec 2012	#18
That's not the same thing as "Obama is a turncoat" etc.	jberryhill	Dec 2012	#26
Not exactly "hypothetical"	Bake	Dec 2012	#37
Are you worried about obama's feelings being hurt?	Logical	Dec 2012	#19
So tell me, how does Obama pull that back and not look like bad faith negotiator?	HereSince1628	Dec 2012	#22
k, so how many things are in that "coloring book" picture & what would the same picture look like	patrice	Dec 2012	#65
You've very cleverly not answered the question I posed.	HereSince1628	Dec 2012	#75
I didn't "answer" because the question is flawed by oversimplification, you asked "how" about	patrice	Dec 2012	#95
I appreciate it's a 'complex' negotiation.	HereSince1628	Dec 2012	#99
If the other side is offering something fake, I would consider the same tactic, BUT I	patrice	Dec 2012	#102
You can never offer what you won't really offer.	HereSince1628	Dec 2012	#103
Since the other side is not negotiating in good faith, what would be the point of offering what	patrice	Dec 2012	#123
i'm so ashamed	Enrique	Dec 2012	#23
If we don't make a racket when something stupid or evil is proposed	truebluegreen	Dec 2012	#24
Well said	One of the 99	Dec 2012	#25
It's because SOME of us understand how to negotiate.	Bake	Dec 2012	#38
Histrionics is not a good negotiation tool	One of the 99	Dec 2012	#42
I do actual negotiations every day. I'm a lawyer.	Bake	Dec 2012	#45
Sure you do.	One of the 99	Dec 2012	#48
You know what, Mr/Ms 590 posts?	Bake	Dec 2012	#50
So now number of posts	One of the 99	Dec 2012	#54
You want my bar ID?	Bake	Dec 2012	#57
Why not argue based on the facts of the issue alone.	One of the 99	Dec 2012	#118
You do not deal with negotiations on that same level	treestar	Dec 2012	#52
Bullshit. Negotiating is a skill. There are some things you cannot do.	Bake	Dec 2012	#55
Again, it's not a two way deal	treestar	Dec 2012	#59
So do I and so am I	jberryhill	Dec 2012	#82
I'm not posting my bar ID on an anonymous message board.	Bake	Dec 2012	#106
Funny how when President Obama doesn't act like a Democrat, a lot of people don't vote	forestpath	Dec 2012	#27
Sooner or later they'll get the message. Maybe.	Bake	Dec 2012	#46
My nomination for dumbest post of the day(so far)	byeya	Dec 2012	#68
I'm honored.	forestpath	Dec 2012	#83
I'm a "never will be able to retire" person	RomneyLies	Dec 2012	#72
I am truly sorry. But after President Obama is done with us....	forestpath	Dec 2012	#79
Obama	rso	Dec 2012	#29
SHAMEFUL is the President having SS on the table in the talks.	Autumn	Dec 2012	#30
Exactly!	marew	Dec 2012	#77
I wonder	Exen Trik	Dec 2012	#31
Blah, blah, blah. Mustn't complain until it's to late to do anything about it. When we lose	Egalitarian Thug	Dec 2012	#33
It's not about complaining, per se. It's about how that's done & not admitting the limitations in	patrice	Dec 2012	#63
And lose you will. Every time. And after you get your well-deserved beating, you will come crawling	Egalitarian Thug	Dec 2012	#121
I really don't understand, honestly I don't. Why don't you consider "lose you will" a possibility	patrice	Dec 2012	#122
You completely miss the point. Losing is always a possibility, but every time our way has been	Egalitarian Thug	Dec 2012	#124
you haven't been around very long, oh, and Old Elm Tree	snooper2	Dec 2012	#34
Huge K&R!!...nt	SidDithers	Dec 2012	#36
Naughty, NAUGHTY Democrats! Stop this instant! Wait till we hear the final word, and then be told,	Safetykitten	Dec 2012	#39
It is NOT bashing........	Hotler	Dec 2012	#40
so what you're saying is it will be FINE to bash Obama	RomneyLies	Dec 2012	#49
It would be fine in that event	treestar	Dec 2012	#53
There is no excuse for it	treestar	Dec 2012	#51
Well Said ...	1StrongBlackMan	Dec 2012	#56
It's like all the critical posts about appointing Kerry or Hagel to the cabinet	WI_DEM	Dec 2012	#60
An aweful lot of people around here cutting ground out from under THEIR OWN positions. Strange, huh?	patrice	Dec 2012	#61
Rational critique is good, but HORSESHIT HURTS YOUR OWN CASE. Why are people doing that?	patrice	Dec 2012	#62
SHAPEFUL, and hopeful that the end result can still be shaped as Obama promised.	Coyotl	Dec 2012	#64
just like republicans	think_critically	Dec 2012	#66
I've seen this act before.	DireStrike	Dec 2012	#70
ALL true. . . . SO! this is about how what happens between 2) and 3) happens & telegraphing YOUR OWN	patrice	Dec 2012	#74
He is speaking live now and would not say he would not cut ss	still_one	Dec 2012	#81
Well that's good.	DireStrike	Dec 2012	#107
I am not sure if I feel better	still_one	Dec 2012	#113
Yes, very frustrating.	GreenPartyVoter	Dec 2012	#110
He is talking right now and was asked about ss. He is saying	still_one	Dec 2012	#78
Bookmarking this so I can easily compare it to the inevitable lame excuses later.	Marr	Dec 2012	#80
Even when the cuts are made to ss they will still deny	still_one	Dec 2012	#84
"He had no choice!"	Marr	Dec 2012	#86
To get some concept of what this process is like, try this FUN party game. link:	patrice	Dec 2012	#85
I am listening to the President right now . . .	markpkessinger	Dec 2012	#87
Friggin A right!	tazkcmo	Dec 2012	#111
I have seen this scenario play out many times	Kelvin Mace	Dec 2012	#88
F*** this. Are you listening to the cowardly words	JimDandy	Dec 2012	#89
I agree with the substance of your post, but I take issue with your history of the	coalition_unwilling	Dec 2012	#92
The claim that The Left sat home in 2010 has been de-bunked ...	bvar22	Dec 2012	#120
Oh I'm so incensed I'm posting again: What a cowardly	JimDandy	Dec 2012	#94
If anyone saw the "Impeach Obama" thread last night: THAT is the kind of shit this OP	NYC Liberal	Dec 2012	#97
Compromise	winetourdriver	Dec 2012	#98
No point in compromise if you get a better deal doing nothing.	Sirveri	Dec 2012	#104
^^^This^^^^	truebrit71	Dec 2012	#105
Rightfully bashed because of proposing it	MNBrewer	Dec 2012	#108
Do we get to talk about it after we're screwed? And, the Prez doesn't have to compromise.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Dec 2012	#112