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26. What kind of truth? We are talking about millions of people here, so facts are most useful. &

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 05:11 PM

Dec 2012

In that regard, even Paul Krugman himself has said he's not sure what the facts are at this point.

Do you think it good to cut the ground out from under those doing the negotiations at various levels of this issue, before they get to it, by guaranteeing weak political support, so all the opposition has to do is wait for you and MP et al to draw enough people away that the whole field belongs to them anyway and you all lose on your issues too, btw, so the rest of us hear choruses of self-aggrandizing "I told you sos" when what is really going on is self-fulfilling prophecies?

Tell me that none of that is possible.

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Just for the record: Social Security is self funded and does NOT add to the debt. rec for the truth. [View all] In Truth We Trust Dec 2012 OP

He's already shown that very clearly... MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #1

Wondering, do you find people who dictate for everyon else what vast sets of different things "show" patrice Dec 2012 #3

Are you accusing me of being fascist? MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #6

How accurately does my description characterize your post? & I really was just wondering about your patrice Dec 2012 #8

Are you accusing me of being fascist? MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #10

I asked you a question which you are refusing to answer. Why is that? You could have SHOWN that patrice Dec 2012 #19

Are you calling me a fascist? It's a simple question. Yes or no? MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #22

I asked you if you are one. Are you? Yes or no? patrice Dec 2012 #28

You didn't ask me that, LOL. Your first response seemed to imply you were ACCUSING me of being a MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #50

You assume that we know why Obama would put chained CPI on the table, which isn't a cut, btw, it's patrice Dec 2012 #51

Wow. You really love to throw that word "fascist" around when YOU are the one ordering MotherPetrie forestpath Dec 2012 #16

Perhaps your standards for rationalism are different from mine, more willing to assume big stuff patrice Dec 2012 #24

MotherPetrie said no such thing. But you keep putting words in MP's mouth. forestpath Dec 2012 #27

Pardon me if I observe that OPINION is opinion, even if the opinionated refuses to do so. nt patrice Dec 2012 #29

That's NOT what you're doing. You keep claiming they said things they didn't say. forestpath Dec 2012 #30

Please quote what you're referring to and I will evaluate myself. patrice Dec 2012 #36

Exposing lies, telling the truth is not fascist. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #9

well said. robinlynne Dec 2012 #11

+1 forestpath Dec 2012 #18

What kind of truth? We are talking about millions of people here, so facts are most useful. & patrice Dec 2012 #26

Interesting answer. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #55

He showed it long ago. This will not turn all the Democrats against him, but plethoro Dec 2012 #45

The president has now created a new Democratic program. This is now the Obama Austerity program. fasttense Dec 2012 #64

Un-rec: If I can reduce the number of middle-wo/men in between what SS deposites in my bank acount @ patrice Dec 2012 #2

And I'll take it that anyone who disagrees with my budget priority wants SUBSIDIES for FOR-PROFIT patrice Dec 2012 #12

You are unbelievable nt abelenkpe Dec 2012 #41

And you take people who characterize vast sets of information & persons, about which they know patrice Dec 2012 #48

DURec leftstreet Dec 2012 #4

except that it is raided for it's cash Puzzledtraveller Dec 2012 #5

It's a big pot of cash Hydra Dec 2012 #7

and who is letting them stay there right this minute by permitting ANY discussion of SS? robinlynne Dec 2012 #13

Thank you. woo me with science Dec 2012 #15

The American people... bobclark86 Dec 2012 #14

how big is the pot of cash? mostlyconfused Dec 2012 #52

answers to all of your qs, and others, are at the ssa.gov website spooky3 Dec 2012 #60

Taxes collected do not cover the outlays mostlyconfused Dec 2012 #62

SSI has been running a surplus up until very recently Hydra Dec 2012 #71

Why didn't you take my advice? The answer is at the site. That suggests to me that you are not spooky3 Dec 2012 #72

Couldn't find the the info in the page, so mostlyconfused Dec 2012 #73

Go to the SSA site and look for the FAQ page on the social security trust fund, for a start. spooky3 Dec 2012 #74

k&r avaistheone1 Dec 2012 #17

K&R, again. This fact has been shown and shown and shown again, yet even here there are so many Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #20

just lift the cap SHRED Dec 2012 #21

Too many opinionated people around TRYING to limit the options here to EVER get consideration of patrice Dec 2012 #33

Yes, without doing anything, the fund is good to 2037. Forever after lifting the cap. mbperrin Dec 2012 #38

It's a no brainer, and for Obama to go after SS now that we've given him grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #57

it also helps stimulate the economy SHRED Dec 2012 #23

I voted against this asshole in '80 and '84 Go Vols Dec 2012 #25

SS Cuts kworkman Dec 2012 #31

NO ONE in Congress is going to stand up for any position that cuts ITS OWN support out from under patrice Dec 2012 #34

What fat salaries are on the table? mbperrin Dec 2012 #40

K&R Dustlawyer Dec 2012 #32

Rec, but it won't matter. SS and Medicare have ALWAYS been the true target. NorthCarolina Dec 2012 #35

I just tried to call the WH comments line to comment on the proposed cuts AnnieK401 Dec 2012 #37

I called my Senator (Wyden/D-OR), who MoveOn says is "waivering". 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #39

The government has borrowed nearly $2.7 trillion as of 2011 from the SS trust fund. progressoid Dec 2012 #42

Your post is very welcome. Thank you! Purely criminal behavior to borrow this HUGE sum and then have In Truth We Trust Dec 2012 #49

Such "borrowing" with no intention to ever pay it back was begun by LBJ, expanded by Nixon, and AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #56

Obviously, if we are not going to pay back one grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #66

Although you are techinically correct humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #43

K & R rustydog Dec 2012 #44

knr Coyotl Dec 2012 #46

The bastards are literally taking food out of my mouth! Stonepounder Dec 2012 #47

Someone should tell Obama Autumn Dec 2012 #53

Any cuts, at all, to Social Security and if Dems have a hand in it...means TheProgressive Dec 2012 #54

I agree decayincl Dec 2012 #58

The problem is that neither party wants to pay back the $2.7 trillion surplus which has been loaned Faryn Balyncd Dec 2012 #59

+1,000,000. This is the crux of the problem - the ultrarich unwilling to pay back what they owe SS! reformist2 Dec 2012 #65

. blkmusclmachine Dec 2012 #61

k&r avaistheone1 Dec 2012 #63

All of this on-line bickering and discussing dotymed Dec 2012 #67

I am with you on the occupy everything. I am ready nt bonniebgood Dec 2012 #68

DURec blackspade Dec 2012 #69

Here is what I understand.. Elmergantry Dec 2012 #70