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sir pball

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119. Carries more, actually.

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:39 PM

Dec 2012

An 870 holds up to 8 shells, plus one in the chamber. Nine rounds, each one (if 00 buckshot) loaded with nine more or less .357 Magnum bullets, that come out all at once when you pull the trigger. Eighty-one projectiles. Given the spread of shot across a classroom and the penetrating power, I'd wager the toll would be at least 15 if not the same 20. I've taken deer with that round, it's utterly devastating and would definitely kill anything behind the animal. And probably 10 yards back.

If they were as useless as you opine, they wouldn't be THE indoors weapon of choice.

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A person capable of shooting a five year old eleven times is beyond gun control. [View all] Herlong Dec 2012 OP

Yes, but if there were only 6 bullets per clip perhaps someone could of stopped him when reloading. peacebird Dec 2012 #1

He clearly had to reload several times AlexSatan Dec 2012 #24

He had two 30 round magazines taped together exboyfil Dec 2012 #26

If he didn't have 30 round clips AlexSatan Dec 2012 #33

You want to bet the life of someone YOU love on your assertion? PA Democrat Dec 2012 #60

Are you willing to bet the life of someone YOU love AlexSatan Dec 2012 #66

Your statement is nonsensical. PA Democrat Dec 2012 #67

LOL AlexSatan Dec 2012 #76

False equivalence. PA Democrat Dec 2012 #81

Since you want to continue to play AlexSatan Dec 2012 #84

Let me explain why your argument is nonsense. PA Democrat Dec 2012 #85

There is also the possibility AlexSatan Dec 2012 #88

Keep spinning. Look up when Jared Loughner was taken down. PA Democrat Dec 2012 #89

One example AlexSatan Dec 2012 #90

Bullshit and you know it. PA Democrat Dec 2012 #97

Let's take a look AlexSatan Dec 2012 #100

This one is easy, ban all detachable magazines, Throckmorton Dec 2012 #103

Good luck AlexSatan Dec 2012 #105

Well, it is a start Throckmorton Dec 2012 #121

Any of this grandfathered? WinniSkipper Dec 2012 #123

And for the revolvers? AlexSatan Dec 2012 #129

What incredibly tortured logic. EOTE Dec 2012 #91

Please show where I said "can never" AlexSatan Dec 2012 #92

You said that if he had guns with lower capacity, he just would have spent less bullets on each kid. EOTE Dec 2012 #94

You are apparently not skilled enough AlexSatan Dec 2012 #95

Once again, utterly asinine logic. EOTE Dec 2012 #96

Ah, but he *only* killed as many as he did AlexSatan Dec 2012 #98

Mexico is definitely not a first world country, if that's what you're asking. EOTE Dec 2012 #104

OK AlexSatan Dec 2012 #107

I'd suggest reading a little bit harder. EOTE Dec 2012 #112

My bad AlexSatan Dec 2012 #117

You're damned right we don't want to model our gun laws on Mexico's. EOTE Dec 2012 #120

You didn't answer the question AlexSatan Dec 2012 #122

I didn't say that there's anything wrong with Mexico's gun laws. EOTE Dec 2012 #124

Really? AlexSatan Dec 2012 #125

Christ, do you need this spelled out for you like a child? EOTE Dec 2012 #131

no, but you COULD actually answer the question AlexSatan Dec 2012 #133

Fuck you're dense. EOTE Dec 2012 #134

That makes no sense. They're fine laws AlexSatan Dec 2012 #136

Do you STILL not see the difference between Mexico and the U.S.? EOTE Dec 2012 #138

-- AlexSatan Dec 2012 #144

So now you've lost even the ability to use words? EOTE Dec 2012 #145

-- AlexSatan Dec 2012 #146

Not that I expect an answer (at least not an answer that wouldn't be provided by an infant) EOTE Dec 2012 #148

Here's a clue for you, chuckles. EOTE Dec 2012 #140

Get this through your head, I'm NOT DODGING ANYTHING. EOTE Dec 2012 #132

Oh, it is crystal clear AlexSatan Dec 2012 #137

Do you ever get tired of using strawmen? EOTE Dec 2012 #139

Mexico has laws which are much more restrictive than ours. AlexSatan Dec 2012 #142

You don't have logic. You have nothing approaching logic. EOTE Dec 2012 #143

Do those other countries have more restrictive guns laws AlexSatan Dec 2012 #147

These are the first times you've asked those questions, chump. EOTE Dec 2012 #149

Not true AlexSatan Dec 2012 #150

Different question, chump. I answered that as soon as you asked it. EOTE Dec 2012 #152

Is Australia first world? AlexSatan Dec 2012 #153

Yes, it did help. Can you not see that? EOTE Dec 2012 #155

History doesn't bear that out Xithras Dec 2012 #118

Theres something going on all right. The Link Dec 2012 #2

+1 Squinch Dec 2012 #7

+1000 RetroLounge Dec 2012 #29

No, not really cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #3

^^^ This ^^^ etherealtruth Dec 2012 #4

No, Japan just has sarin gas attacks in their subways Azathoth Dec 2012 #14

That was 1995 Gold Rush Dec 2012 #16

I'm not trying to "negate" any discussion of gun regulation Azathoth Dec 2012 #18

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #19

lol, let's see here Azathoth Dec 2012 #20

Yep Gold Rush Dec 2012 #22

Sure you are RetroLounge Dec 2012 #30

Profound Azathoth Dec 2012 #35

Did mommy buy you a thesaurus? RetroLounge Dec 2012 #36

Wow, I didn't know they sold dinosaurs! Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #43

so what ? people still die in car accidents, does that mean we should not regulate JI7 Dec 2012 #48

We do regulate guns in that sense Recursion Dec 2012 #80

Other counties get massacres once every ten yrs or so. baldguy Dec 2012 #65

once a week? elehhhhna Dec 2012 #27

We have mass shootings once a week? Azathoth Dec 2012 #34

As often as we have gun massacres? treestar Dec 2012 #62

Consistently, or merely an aberration? LanternWaste Dec 2012 #68

Several possible answers to that Azathoth Dec 2012 #151

There was an attack like this in China on Friday but with a knife Quixote1818 Dec 2012 #5

My guess is he didnt want to kill Dokkie Dec 2012 #56

Yes. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #70

Care to explain yourself Dokkie Dec 2012 #106

Look here is the equation mental illness + AR-15 = 27 dead. upaloopa Dec 2012 #6

Exactly! srichardson Dec 2012 #10

This message was self-deleted by its author Herlong Dec 2012 #13

Most of the people who are considered mentally ill Herlong Dec 2012 #15

No they're not. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2012 #8

I'm really glad he was killed in the shooting democrattotheend Dec 2012 #9

If he had lived, though, we might have gotten some answers. GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #58

I'm not 'glad' about anything that happened, except that maybe, just maybe, the coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #101

When I see a five year old child the only thing I can do is smile Herlong Dec 2012 #11

What is a twenty year old doing Herlong Dec 2012 #12

Fucked up people think fucked up things laundry_queen Dec 2012 #23

You get dumber with every post. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #71

Yet those deeper problems would be far less leathal without a gun. jeff47 Dec 2012 #108

This family had the cash to get the finest mental health services in the world. This is about guns riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #17

Exactly! +1,000! scarletwoman Dec 2012 #25

that's a very good point in favor of gun control renate Dec 2012 #50

+1! uponit7771 Dec 2012 #52

+1 Dems to Win Dec 2012 #54

Lanza was 20 years old Abq_Sarah Dec 2012 #55

But the govt can force someone to get mental blueamy66 Dec 2012 #59

Saw an interview on The Ed Show on MSNBC last night with Dr. Gail Saltz AndyA Dec 2012 #87

And the Mother should have gotten rid of the guns blueamy66 Dec 2012 #99

Except he was exibiting all sorts of mental health issues back when he was under 18 jeff47 Dec 2012 #109

+10000000 treestar Dec 2012 #63

K&R smirkymonkey Dec 2012 #21

It is ALL about guns sellitman Dec 2012 #28

There certainly is, but it's just ever so much more satisfy to scream at each other to no purpose. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #31

The person might be... 99Forever Dec 2012 #32

So... more guns? upi402 Dec 2012 #37

Not true. Keep guns off the street. We don't need them. Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2012 #38

It was a GUN Lex Dec 2012 #39

Sure there is. rrneck Dec 2012 #40

Watch look listen Herlong Dec 2012 #41

... SammyWinstonJack Dec 2012 #53

Fuck that. Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #42

Personally, I think gun control is a problem Herlong Dec 2012 #44

If it was the culture, violent crime in general would be going up. It's not. Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author Herlong Dec 2012 #46

This isn't about "true human evolution", this is about machines designed to kill lots of people in a Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #49

It would make a good varmint rifle Abq_Sarah Dec 2012 #57

And when those "varmints" are kindergartners? 99Forever Dec 2012 #74

If those children had been killed by a nut with a knife Abq_Sarah Dec 2012 #156

Non sequitur 99Forever Dec 2012 #158

Then build a fucking wall around your cattle Not Me Dec 2012 #78

Why do you need a 30-round clip on your varmint rifle? jeff47 Dec 2012 #111

Convenience Abq_Sarah Dec 2012 #157

Yes, but if you're shooting a varmint, you aren't going to be firing dozens of rounds (nt) jeff47 Dec 2012 #159

WWII recordings Amak8 Dec 2012 #47

So let's just give the fuck up and put increasingly deadly weapons into their hands! villager Dec 2012 #51

He was capable of doing it because he had the gun treestar Dec 2012 #61

If by "the gun" you mean "any gun" then yes sir pball Dec 2012 #102

No, Grampa's pump-action doesn't carry enough ammuntion. jeff47 Dec 2012 #113

Carries more, actually. sir pball Dec 2012 #119

Reading, you might wanna try it. jeff47 Dec 2012 #135

Well.. sir pball Dec 2012 #160

The gun he used at that range will over-penetrate a lot. A shotgun would not as much. jeff47 Dec 2012 #161

But his mother wasn't. undeterred Dec 2012 #64

So fucking what? Zoeisright Dec 2012 #69

The "without" is the problem Recursion Dec 2012 #77

Because it's worked in every other first-world country. jeff47 Dec 2012 #114

Where are you guys coming from? Cleita Dec 2012 #72

Precisely. 99Forever Dec 2012 #73

Why don't you explain why we in the US have the highest incidence of these types of massacres then PA Democrat Dec 2012 #75

But if he couldn't have gotten the guns get the red out Dec 2012 #79

Agreed, but Recursion Dec 2012 #82

You aren't thinking about this too hard, are you? jeff47 Dec 2012 #115

Well, I'm with you magazine size Recursion Dec 2012 #116

Nope alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #83

Another gun enabler! Mass Dec 2012 #86

Some of these kids were so destroyed the ME had to show pictures for ID. Historic NY Dec 2012 #93

Such a person is beyond gun control, but gun control isn't for them jeff47 Dec 2012 #110

yes. Liberal_in_LA Dec 2012 #126

The larger problem is not about this one incident jberryhill Dec 2012 #127

Probably from a mental perspective, but gun control isn't about mental health. Bradical79 Dec 2012 #128

Gun Control Enters The Picture BEFORE This Kid Ever Gets His Hands On One ChoppinBroccoli Dec 2012 #130

It's OK - you'll understand eventually - the control works it way out and around jmg257 Dec 2012 #141

with no guns, no ammo and locked doors how many would he have killed? bowens43 Dec 2012 #154