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13. The title would leave the impression that pre-school is a dangerous place, which is wrong.

Reply to coalition_unwilling (Reply #12)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:37 PM

Dec 2012

Note that the comparison is between gun deaths of pre-schoolers and cops "on-duty".

The correct comparison would be gun deaths of pre-school aged individuals versus cops on and off-duty weighted by populations, e.g. gun deaths annually per 100,000 persons. Otherwise, as noted above, the comparison is pretty meaningless.

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It's more dangerous to be a pre-schooler in America than it is to be a cop on duty [View all] MrScorpio Dec 2012 OP

Clearly this shows that we need to arm preschoolers Fumesucker Dec 2012 #1

Nice exercise in creative arithmetic slackmaster Dec 2012 #2

How so? Can you be specific? cynatnite Dec 2012 #4

Here's a hint: Are there as many police officers in this country as there are pre-school children? slackmaster Dec 2012 #6

So it's not creative arithmatic... cynatnite Dec 2012 #9

Do you understand the difference between a rate and a raw count? slackmaster Dec 2012 #10

This was not creative arithmatic... cynatnite Dec 2012 #15

Actual numbers, like < 1 mil cops and >60 mil children (under 14) cleanhippie Dec 2012 #20

preschoolers, dude. laundry_queen Dec 2012 #27

Does google not work for you? cleanhippie Dec 2012 #48

Does Google say how ... 99Forever Dec 2012 #53

Hahaha! Now you're moving the goalposts. cleanhippie Dec 2012 #54

Way to shuck and jive. 99Forever Dec 2012 #57

There is no honesty or integrity in the question to begin with. cleanhippie Dec 2012 #60

So you have nothing. 99Forever Dec 2012 #62

Yes, for nothing you get nothing. cleanhippie Dec 2012 #65

This message was self-deleted by its author 99Forever Dec 2012 #67

Damn. I missed your post before you self deleted. cleanhippie Dec 2012 #70

I stop engaging... 99Forever Dec 2012 #71

Ahh, I see. You recognized that all you have left is projection. cleanhippie Dec 2012 #72

Read downthread genius. laundry_queen Dec 2012 #81

I'm not arguing the actual numbers at all... cynatnite Dec 2012 #30

So mr slack... 99Forever Dec 2012 #21

Rates and raw counts of zero would be acceptable to me. slackmaster Dec 2012 #28

Then why are you pimping the NRA talking points? 99Forever Dec 2012 #35

The difference between a statistical rate and a raw count is now an "NRA talking point?" slackmaster Dec 2012 #45

Going to answer the questions or just.. 99Forever Dec 2012 #51

Your questions are insulting, and the math issue is plain as day to anyone who finished sixth grade. slackmaster Dec 2012 #55

Honesty is insulting? 99Forever Dec 2012 #58

No smartguy... 99Forever Dec 2012 #74

Obviously police officers are at much greater risk of getting shot than preschoolers are. slackmaster Dec 2012 #76

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #79

You're just wrong, that's why slack didn't answer Bake Dec 2012 #73

Expect To See You Make This Comment, Sir The Magistrate Dec 2012 #36

why do people post stats ProdigalJunkMail Dec 2012 #37

Because they are too proud to admit that they have been caught at a deception, I suppose slackmaster Dec 2012 #46

i am guessing the latter... ProdigalJunkMail Dec 2012 #47

Seems that your "math" pal isn't really interested in... 99Forever Dec 2012 #52

actually, you are the one not interested in apples to apples ProdigalJunkMail Dec 2012 #69

Correct. H2O Man Dec 2012 #64

thank you for stepping in so quickly to protect the reputation of the lowly gun CreekDog Dec 2012 #78

They are almost always killed at home by family members, not at preschool FarCenter Dec 2012 #3

I think the point is that guns kill more children than cops. n/t cynatnite Dec 2012 #5

Yes home is dangerous. Why make it more dangerous with guns? mainer Dec 2012 #7

In 2011 there were 385 homicides of children aged 0 to 4. FarCenter Dec 2012 #11

Yeah, but that "somewhat less than 50%" needn't have happened at all mainer Dec 2012 #16

Your assuming that the perpetrator would not have used other means FarCenter Dec 2012 #42

If that's the case, doesn't it make sense to have better gun control laws to prevent Arkansas Granny Dec 2012 #8

Are you disputing the OP or agreeing with it? I'm having trouble coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #12

The title would leave the impression that pre-school is a dangerous place, which is wrong. FarCenter Dec 2012 #13

I got you. Absolute numbers of deaths in the respective populations say coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #17

Totally meaningless stat RZM Dec 2012 #14

So I looked it up laundry_queen Dec 2012 #31

Forget about the naysayers and carpers, this is a powerful statement Fumesucker Dec 2012 #18

Sure, it's powerful if one subscribes to ignorance. cleanhippie Dec 2012 #22

Well, that's about five percent of the population and I think I'm being generous with that Fumesucker Dec 2012 #25

If we have to surrender critical, rational thought and logic to emotion in order to "win" cleanhippie Dec 2012 #49

As I said, that's about five percent of the population that will respond to rational thought Fumesucker Dec 2012 #56

We keep trying. Lowering ourselves to that level is regressive, not progressive. cleanhippie Dec 2012 #59

+1 Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #63

Great. So neither side need be taken seriously. cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #23

Politics isn't about facts and logic nearly as much as it is about emotion and tribalism Fumesucker Dec 2012 #26

It's not exaggeration bongbong Dec 2012 #29

Too late Fumesucker Dec 2012 #34

Yep! bongbong Dec 2012 #44

Wow. That's headline is just FALSE. cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #19

I think the disconnect comes in the title of the OP vs. the material the OP cites. The coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #24

It's orders of magnitude safer to be in a preschool than to be a police officer Recursion Dec 2012 #32

The weight the two categories respective to the relative exposure to danger. Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #38

Amazing bongbong Dec 2012 #33

You know full well the headline doesn't pass statistical muster RZM Dec 2012 #40

Nope bongbong Dec 2012 #43

Hell, Sir, It is More Dangerous To Be a Truck Driver Than A Police Officer.... The Magistrate Dec 2012 #39

Patently false. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #41

It is only 10 times more dangerous to be a cop than a preschooler. Robb Dec 2012 #50

I'd certainly like to see a wider gap, obviously. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #61

This would be a great post if your science wasn't bunk. Do better next time. WastedSaint Dec 2012 #66

no it's not, since there are way more preschoolers than cops. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #68

Math is hard! Logical Dec 2012 #75

I think I see what you did there slackmaster Dec 2012 #77

Statistics failure... there are probably about 10x more preschoolers than cops. OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #80

How many cops are there vs. how many preschoolers are there in this country? nt Raine Dec 2012 #82