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Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:29 PM

60. And it's been made abundantly clear in that post that this is JUST A RUMOR.

Until then, let's not run around with our hair on fire, shall we?

Besides, what cuts do they mean? The president promised NO CUTS in benefits to recipients. Cuts on waste, even cost cuts to medicine IF they institute the rule that Medicare may, again, negotiate prices, are GOOD "cuts". Actually, it's savings, but it appears a lot of people quickly label those savings as "cuts to Medicare", giving the illusion that there will be cuts to earned benefits to recipient - and I seriously doubt that's going to happen.

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107 replies	Author	Time	Post
Krugman: Rumors of a Deal (WTF?) - updated [View all]	ProSense	Dec 2012	OP
This better not be true	Blaukraut	Dec 2012	#1
I seriously wonder if	ProSense	Dec 2012	#5
and shoot seltzer down each other's pants..	russspeakeasy	Dec 2012	#15
Don't ask, don't tell...	awoke_in_2003	Dec 2012	#64
Sadly the rightwing media complex	humbled_opinion	Dec 2012	#34
a majority of both democratic & republican voters support raising taxes on the rich. if this is	HiPointDem	Dec 2012	#55
+1	HiPointDem	Dec 2012	#52
This post was hidden by jury decision.	mizz pibb.	Dec 2012	#59
Social Security has nothing to do with the deficit, assuming even the deficit is important enough	byeya	Dec 2012	#2
exactly, we've been paying it up since the 1980's	WashingtonConsensus	Dec 2012	#44
No worries.	MannyGoldstein	Dec 2012	#3
If he does, you get to gloat and say I told you so.	ProSense	Dec 2012	#7
Not really gloating...	MannyGoldstein	Dec 2012	#8
It's also a hidden tax increase on the poor and middle class...	Luminous Animal	Dec 2012	#13
I never saw it as a bluff. If Obama cuts Social Security you	plethoro	Dec 2012	#28
+1. if he goes for cuts, that's about it for me and the democratic party, i.e. the republican-lite	HiPointDem	Dec 2012	#70
I would love to be wrong about an Obama capitulation, someday, myself.	villager	Dec 2012	#33
It was said by many on this board that entitlement cuts would be made by the lame duck	plethoro	Dec 2012	#36
If this is true, there are several on DU that should seriously consider self exile.	A Simple Game	Dec 2012	#51
Hey, give credit to people owning what they have said	jsmirman	Dec 2012	#53
I reserve judgment until we know just what is going to happen.	A Simple Game	Dec 2012	#100
I am seriously concerned	jsmirman	Dec 2012	#102
You just don't understand n-dimensional chess, Manny.	Jackpine Radical	Dec 2012	#80
And it's been made abundantly clear in that post that this is JUST A RUMOR.	BlueCaliDem	Dec 2012	#60
First off, it's now being reported as fact	MannyGoldstein	Dec 2012	#65
Whose fact? The anonymous source's? Who is this person? A Republican mole?	BlueCaliDem	Dec 2012	#99
you think they can make $400 billion in cuts to medicare & it won't affect recipients? i gotta	HiPointDem	Dec 2012	#84
Yes, I do. You're forgetting that we now have the PPACA and a public option on its	BlueCaliDem	Dec 2012	#96
well, we're going to see.	HiPointDem	Dec 2012	#101
Why am I not surprised you'd respond this way? I guess nothing Obama does	BlueCaliDem	Dec 2012	#104
I think obama is much more presidential than bush was and michelle has been one of the best	HiPointDem	Dec 2012	#105
Why is that?	BlueCaliDem	Dec 2012	#106
if the white house didn't want the terms to be public, i assume they wouldn't have released them.	HiPointDem	Dec 2012	#107
An earlier question ...	1StrongBlackMan	Dec 2012	#4
It will eventually be a 10% cut in benefits. IIRC	MannyGoldstein	Dec 2012	#11
So billionaires can stay rich? NO!	aquart	Dec 2012	#24
Thanks ...	1StrongBlackMan	Dec 2012	#39
it'll eventually be a ticket to the cemetery, because the cuts don't end after 10 years.	HiPointDem	Dec 2012	#85
A chained CPI if inflation goes up will be disastrous for low-income	plethoro	Dec 2012	#76
Oh good, so despite two years straight of zero SS COLA, the CPI they used is too lavish?	DJ13	Dec 2012	#6
Actually, the official CPI used for older Americans shows higher inflation than what's used now	MannyGoldstein	Dec 2012	#12
I hope this isn't true!	neverforget	Dec 2012	#9
That's right: It's the Chinese death-of-a-thousand-cuts	byeya	Dec 2012	#10
FWIW, I don't think it will happen quite this way.	MannyGoldstein	Dec 2012	#14
Is raising the cap on SS payroll deductions even talked about anymore?	Blaukraut	Dec 2012	#16
Nah, that would cost money for rich people. nt	MannyGoldstein	Dec 2012	#17
^^^ this ^^^	TDale313	Dec 2012	#22
It's not a robbery in their minds, Manny, it's their own money	Trailrider1951	Dec 2012	#57
A deal to hurt the elderly and vulnerable.	forestpath	Dec 2012	#18
Oh, yay. Hanging us out to dry again.	Lone_Star_Dem	Dec 2012	#19
If either program is cut significantly, you can	plethoro	Dec 2012	#31
dammit	abelenkpe	Dec 2012	#20
Did you catch the "Speculative Outrage" bug or something? nt	Bonobo	Dec 2012	#21
You misunderstand	ProSense	Dec 2012	#27
I would have assumed it is the reverse.	Bonobo	Dec 2012	#29
It's bizarro world stupid.	ProSense	Dec 2012	#30
Divorced from reality.	Bonobo	Dec 2012	#35
Groovy	ProSense	Dec 2012	#40
IMO, ANY two party "system"	Bonobo	Dec 2012	#43
When the fuck did it become the Democrats' job to save the Republican Party?	DJ13	Dec 2012	#46
What do Robert Reich & Senator Sanders say? Sanders has spoken strongly against CPI, right? Is this	patrice	Dec 2012	#23
Who are you and what have you done with ProSense?	Fumesucker	Dec 2012	#25
ALL CUTS COME FROM DOD. Period.	on point	Dec 2012	#26
you can say so, but right now it stands are $100B from military, $130B from SS, $400B from medical.	HiPointDem	Dec 2012	#86
Explanation:	elleng	Dec 2012	#32
Sounds like rationalization	ProSense	Dec 2012	#37
At this point, I'm going to trust Obama.	FreeBC	Dec 2012	#38
Trust but verify	democrattotheend	Dec 2012	#103
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-boehner-meet-as-debt-talks-intensify/2012/12/17/6b43c24	wilsonbooks	Dec 2012	#41
I know I will get s**it for this, but I think the deal sounds	Hoyt	Dec 2012	#42
Do you know how much the chained CPI eventually cuts SS payments?	MannyGoldstein	Dec 2012	#45
Manny it's not much in early years, especially when inflation is low.	Hoyt	Dec 2012	#50
It should not be part of the deficit negotiations.	ProSense	Dec 2012	#56
I'll bet my ass there is an increase in the cap too. You wait.	Hoyt	Dec 2012	#61
currently, the average 65-year-old lives to 85	MannyGoldstein	Dec 2012	#62
Manny, if it gets bad they will do something in a few years ASSUMING the economy is doing well.	Hoyt	Dec 2012	#73
There is zero need to make any cuts.	MannyGoldstein	Dec 2012	#75
Thank God for Krugman to set us straight.	Hoyt	Dec 2012	#79
"and I'm assuming it works out like this" Nope,	ProSense	Dec 2012	#48
Sorry, I think you are wrong. If that's the deal, I'd take it and move on.	Hoyt	Dec 2012	#58
No, you're	ProSense	Dec 2012	#66
So Krugman is a liar and tool of the right on this.	Hoyt	Dec 2012	#71
Krugman:	ProSense	Dec 2012	#72
And he also said chained CPI is a small price to pay for rest of deal, like no Medicare age increase	Hoyt	Dec 2012	#74
What stimulus money do you even begin to think a new mass transit system there is?	TheKentuckian	Dec 2012	#82
R U M O R S.....we'll see	spanone	Dec 2012	#47
In the end it's up to us to put pressure on congress to say no if this is true.	loyalkydem	Dec 2012	#49
Kicked and recommended.	Uncle Joe	Dec 2012	#54
KILL TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE	humbled_opinion	Dec 2012	#63
I'm darn sure for that.	Hoyt	Dec 2012	#83
We need to cut at the top	Rosa Luxemburg	Dec 2012	#67
I think we should cut Congress. That would be a HUGE savings, in graft alone.	HiPointDem	Dec 2012	#78
Go ahead and burn me at the stake	cheapdate	Dec 2012	#68
I agree, but only as long as lower income/wealth people aren't hurt.	Hoyt	Dec 2012	#87
How do they own the cuts? They can't pass them.	TheKentuckian	Dec 2012	#88
Much like the deficit reduction act of 2005...the poor and middle class will have less	adirondacker	Dec 2012	#69
seems like we're doing a hell of a lot of sacrificing while the bankster class's profits just keep	HiPointDem	Dec 2012	#77
I was hopeful that the Dems would repeal the act once in power....	adirondacker	Dec 2012	#95
Sounds like a decent deal that will prevent a recession	BrentWil	Dec 2012	#81
I hope it's	ProSense	Dec 2012	#89
Yes but changing the index does save money and isn't reasonable	BrentWil	Dec 2012	#91
Good deal if you are never going to need Social Security or Medicare	liberal N proud	Dec 2012	#97
No problem. Obama will veto any bill that cuts SS, Medicare, or other social programs.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Dec 2012	#90
Dream on	BrentWil	Dec 2012	#92
Hear, hear	Babel_17	Dec 2012	#93
"Thank you for contacting the White House."	Babel_17	Dec 2012	#94
st. reagan smiles in hell	datasuspect	Dec 2012	#98

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