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Mon Dec 17, 2012, 06:57 PM

4. An earlier question ...

I know the "chain CPI" is supposed to be a bad thing. I grasp the general concept; but has anyone run (and posted) how such a plan will affect those beneficiaries at the low-end and median-levels?

Secondly, would such a "reform" be a deal breaker for DUers, given the other things gained? (I think I know the answer to that one.)

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107 replies	Author	Time	Post
Krugman: Rumors of a Deal (WTF?) - updated [View all]	ProSense	Dec 2012	OP
This better not be true	Blaukraut	Dec 2012	#1
I seriously wonder if	ProSense	Dec 2012	#5
and shoot seltzer down each other's pants..	russspeakeasy	Dec 2012	#15
Don't ask, don't tell...	awoke_in_2003	Dec 2012	#64
Sadly the rightwing media complex	humbled_opinion	Dec 2012	#34
a majority of both democratic & republican voters support raising taxes on the rich. if this is	HiPointDem	Dec 2012	#55
+1	HiPointDem	Dec 2012	#52
This post was hidden by jury decision.	mizz pibb.	Dec 2012	#59
Social Security has nothing to do with the deficit, assuming even the deficit is important enough	byeya	Dec 2012	#2
exactly, we've been paying it up since the 1980's	WashingtonConsensus	Dec 2012	#44
No worries.	MannyGoldstein	Dec 2012	#3
If he does, you get to gloat and say I told you so.	ProSense	Dec 2012	#7
Not really gloating...	MannyGoldstein	Dec 2012	#8
It's also a hidden tax increase on the poor and middle class...	Luminous Animal	Dec 2012	#13
I never saw it as a bluff. If Obama cuts Social Security you	plethoro	Dec 2012	#28
+1. if he goes for cuts, that's about it for me and the democratic party, i.e. the republican-lite	HiPointDem	Dec 2012	#70
I would love to be wrong about an Obama capitulation, someday, myself.	villager	Dec 2012	#33
It was said by many on this board that entitlement cuts would be made by the lame duck	plethoro	Dec 2012	#36
If this is true, there are several on DU that should seriously consider self exile.	A Simple Game	Dec 2012	#51
Hey, give credit to people owning what they have said	jsmirman	Dec 2012	#53
I reserve judgment until we know just what is going to happen.	A Simple Game	Dec 2012	#100
I am seriously concerned	jsmirman	Dec 2012	#102
You just don't understand n-dimensional chess, Manny.	Jackpine Radical	Dec 2012	#80
And it's been made abundantly clear in that post that this is JUST A RUMOR.	BlueCaliDem	Dec 2012	#60
First off, it's now being reported as fact	MannyGoldstein	Dec 2012	#65
Whose fact? The anonymous source's? Who is this person? A Republican mole?	BlueCaliDem	Dec 2012	#99
you think they can make $400 billion in cuts to medicare & it won't affect recipients? i gotta	HiPointDem	Dec 2012	#84
Yes, I do. You're forgetting that we now have the PPACA and a public option on its	BlueCaliDem	Dec 2012	#96
well, we're going to see.	HiPointDem	Dec 2012	#101
Why am I not surprised you'd respond this way? I guess nothing Obama does	BlueCaliDem	Dec 2012	#104
I think obama is much more presidential than bush was and michelle has been one of the best	HiPointDem	Dec 2012	#105
Why is that?	BlueCaliDem	Dec 2012	#106
if the white house didn't want the terms to be public, i assume they wouldn't have released them.	HiPointDem	Dec 2012	#107
An earlier question ...	1StrongBlackMan	Dec 2012	#4
It will eventually be a 10% cut in benefits. IIRC	MannyGoldstein	Dec 2012	#11
So billionaires can stay rich? NO!	aquart	Dec 2012	#24
Thanks ...	1StrongBlackMan	Dec 2012	#39
it'll eventually be a ticket to the cemetery, because the cuts don't end after 10 years.	HiPointDem	Dec 2012	#85
A chained CPI if inflation goes up will be disastrous for low-income	plethoro	Dec 2012	#76
Oh good, so despite two years straight of zero SS COLA, the CPI they used is too lavish?	DJ13	Dec 2012	#6
Actually, the official CPI used for older Americans shows higher inflation than what's used now	MannyGoldstein	Dec 2012	#12
I hope this isn't true!	neverforget	Dec 2012	#9
That's right: It's the Chinese death-of-a-thousand-cuts	byeya	Dec 2012	#10
FWIW, I don't think it will happen quite this way.	MannyGoldstein	Dec 2012	#14
Is raising the cap on SS payroll deductions even talked about anymore?	Blaukraut	Dec 2012	#16
Nah, that would cost money for rich people. nt	MannyGoldstein	Dec 2012	#17
^^^ this ^^^	TDale313	Dec 2012	#22
It's not a robbery in their minds, Manny, it's their own money	Trailrider1951	Dec 2012	#57
A deal to hurt the elderly and vulnerable.	forestpath	Dec 2012	#18
Oh, yay. Hanging us out to dry again.	Lone_Star_Dem	Dec 2012	#19
If either program is cut significantly, you can	plethoro	Dec 2012	#31
dammit	abelenkpe	Dec 2012	#20
Did you catch the "Speculative Outrage" bug or something? nt	Bonobo	Dec 2012	#21
You misunderstand	ProSense	Dec 2012	#27
I would have assumed it is the reverse.	Bonobo	Dec 2012	#29
It's bizarro world stupid.	ProSense	Dec 2012	#30
Divorced from reality.	Bonobo	Dec 2012	#35
Groovy	ProSense	Dec 2012	#40
IMO, ANY two party "system"	Bonobo	Dec 2012	#43
When the fuck did it become the Democrats' job to save the Republican Party?	DJ13	Dec 2012	#46
What do Robert Reich & Senator Sanders say? Sanders has spoken strongly against CPI, right? Is this	patrice	Dec 2012	#23
Who are you and what have you done with ProSense?	Fumesucker	Dec 2012	#25
ALL CUTS COME FROM DOD. Period.	on point	Dec 2012	#26
you can say so, but right now it stands are $100B from military, $130B from SS, $400B from medical.	HiPointDem	Dec 2012	#86
Explanation:	elleng	Dec 2012	#32
Sounds like rationalization	ProSense	Dec 2012	#37
At this point, I'm going to trust Obama.	FreeBC	Dec 2012	#38
Trust but verify	democrattotheend	Dec 2012	#103
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-boehner-meet-as-debt-talks-intensify/2012/12/17/6b43c24	wilsonbooks	Dec 2012	#41
I know I will get s**it for this, but I think the deal sounds	Hoyt	Dec 2012	#42
Do you know how much the chained CPI eventually cuts SS payments?	MannyGoldstein	Dec 2012	#45
Manny it's not much in early years, especially when inflation is low.	Hoyt	Dec 2012	#50
It should not be part of the deficit negotiations.	ProSense	Dec 2012	#56
I'll bet my ass there is an increase in the cap too. You wait.	Hoyt	Dec 2012	#61
currently, the average 65-year-old lives to 85	MannyGoldstein	Dec 2012	#62
Manny, if it gets bad they will do something in a few years ASSUMING the economy is doing well.	Hoyt	Dec 2012	#73
There is zero need to make any cuts.	MannyGoldstein	Dec 2012	#75
Thank God for Krugman to set us straight.	Hoyt	Dec 2012	#79
"and I'm assuming it works out like this" Nope,	ProSense	Dec 2012	#48
Sorry, I think you are wrong. If that's the deal, I'd take it and move on.	Hoyt	Dec 2012	#58
No, you're	ProSense	Dec 2012	#66
So Krugman is a liar and tool of the right on this.	Hoyt	Dec 2012	#71
Krugman:	ProSense	Dec 2012	#72
And he also said chained CPI is a small price to pay for rest of deal, like no Medicare age increase	Hoyt	Dec 2012	#74
What stimulus money do you even begin to think a new mass transit system there is?	TheKentuckian	Dec 2012	#82
R U M O R S.....we'll see	spanone	Dec 2012	#47
In the end it's up to us to put pressure on congress to say no if this is true.	loyalkydem	Dec 2012	#49
Kicked and recommended.	Uncle Joe	Dec 2012	#54
KILL TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE	humbled_opinion	Dec 2012	#63
I'm darn sure for that.	Hoyt	Dec 2012	#83
We need to cut at the top	Rosa Luxemburg	Dec 2012	#67
I think we should cut Congress. That would be a HUGE savings, in graft alone.	HiPointDem	Dec 2012	#78
Go ahead and burn me at the stake	cheapdate	Dec 2012	#68
I agree, but only as long as lower income/wealth people aren't hurt.	Hoyt	Dec 2012	#87
How do they own the cuts? They can't pass them.	TheKentuckian	Dec 2012	#88
Much like the deficit reduction act of 2005...the poor and middle class will have less	adirondacker	Dec 2012	#69
seems like we're doing a hell of a lot of sacrificing while the bankster class's profits just keep	HiPointDem	Dec 2012	#77
I was hopeful that the Dems would repeal the act once in power....	adirondacker	Dec 2012	#95
Sounds like a decent deal that will prevent a recession	BrentWil	Dec 2012	#81
I hope it's	ProSense	Dec 2012	#89
Yes but changing the index does save money and isn't reasonable	BrentWil	Dec 2012	#91
Good deal if you are never going to need Social Security or Medicare	liberal N proud	Dec 2012	#97
No problem. Obama will veto any bill that cuts SS, Medicare, or other social programs.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Dec 2012	#90
Dream on	BrentWil	Dec 2012	#92
Hear, hear	Babel_17	Dec 2012	#93
"Thank you for contacting the White House."	Babel_17	Dec 2012	#94
st. reagan smiles in hell	datasuspect	Dec 2012	#98

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