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In reply to the discussion: another legal question. Why is operating a motor vehicle a privilege and operating a gun a right? [View all]jody
(26,624 posts)8. The right to self-defense ranks at or near the top of natural rights. Arms are effective tools for
that job and firearms are the most effective, efficient tools for it.
PA (1776) and VT (1777) in their constitutions declared rights.
The following is for PA, VT used the same except for substituting "unalienable" for "inalienable".
A DECLARATION OF THE RIGHTS OF THE INHABITANTS OF THE COMMONWEALTH OR STATE OF PENNSYLVANIA 28 Sept. 1776
"That all men are born equally free and independent, and have certain natural, inherent and inalienable rights, amongst which are, the enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety."
And
"That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the state; and as standing armies in the time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; And that the military should be kept under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power."
"That all men are born equally free and independent, and have certain natural, inherent and inalienable rights, amongst which are, the enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety."
And
"That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the state; and as standing armies in the time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; And that the military should be kept under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power."
SCOTUS said it pre3existed our Constitution and does not depend upon words on paper.
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another legal question. Why is operating a motor vehicle a privilege and operating a gun a right? [View all]
srican69
Dec 2012
OP
I always have had the faith that law, in the long run, is fair and impartial ...
srican69
Dec 2012
#5
It has only been interpreted that way for 4 years. If you throw you lot with Scalia, Thomas, Alito,
byeya
Dec 2012
#14
Even if one concedes that it is an individual right though it does not mean no regulation.
yellowcanine
Dec 2012
#19
The right to self-defense ranks at or near the top of natural rights. Arms are effective tools for
jody
Dec 2012
#8
Prior to 2008 it was perfectly legit for a jurisdiction to ban handguns. In 2008, the Filthy Five of
byeya
Dec 2012
#12
The 4 minority justices recognized the right, citing PA & VT constitutions but held the 2nd was not
jody
Dec 2012
#15
translation please ... I have a PhD in systems engineering but somehow its not helping
srican69
Dec 2012
#16
Your posts suggest you have not read the Heller opinion and dissent. I would give you a link but in
jody
Dec 2012
#28
In 1981 Morton Grove. IL. banned the ownership of handguns and on appeal the appeals
byeya
Dec 2012
#22