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susanr516

(1,425 posts)
79. Agreed
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:41 PM
Dec 2012

I am in favor of laws requiring gun owners to keep firearms locked in gun safes. My father was a gun enthusiast. His firearms were always locked away, and the ammo was also locked up in a safe, which was kept in a separate room in the house. He always talked about responsible gun ownership and how dangerous a gun can be. As an adult, I have chosen not to have guns in my home because I don't want that kind of responsibility.

obviously - no one would consider themselves irresponsible DrDan Dec 2012 #1
Probably and/but she recognized her son's problems getting worse, elleng Dec 2012 #2
Yes DeeDeeNY Dec 2012 #9
Please give us a link Berserker Dec 2012 #14
Good luck getting a link. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #40
What possible difference does it make... 99Forever Dec 2012 #127
Many are claiming the guns weren't secured at all, HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #128
I appreciate that you took the time... 99Forever Dec 2012 #132
That is simply not a big-picture conclusion. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #133
Coulda... shoulda... woulda... 99Forever Dec 2012 #134
Is that true? I have been wondering if he broke into her gun stash. Chemisse Dec 2012 #18
One media source (The Telegraph?) reported that he tried to buy guns a day or so earlier. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #129
she was highly irresponsible in many ways amborin Dec 2012 #130
She probably was atreides1 Dec 2012 #3
Evidently she was shot while sleeping Fumesucker Dec 2012 #7
I've been a gun owner for years Sgent Dec 2012 #11
+1 MissMarple Dec 2012 #16
And yet she left her toys unsecured, all the while knowing how dangerous her son was. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #4
How do you know they were unsecured? HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #39
IF the guns were secured and he destroyed the safe to get to them, then I retract what I said. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #41
He could have taken the key by force. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #46
There are reports that she told friends that she was afraid of him. She should have kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #58
If she was afraid of him, and left the guns unsecured, HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #64
The reports are she told friend she was losing him, not afraid of him. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #77
If he got his hands on them, aren't they by definition "unsecured"? mainer Dec 2012 #75
Not necessarily. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #76
I agree. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #68
Great point. I've never met a gun owner who didn't say he was responsible Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #5
Yes, the vast majority are responsible. Daniel537 Dec 2012 #20
Oh, you are kidding me, right? We have constant shootings... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #23
Are the lives of the adults who died less important to you? Carnage251 Dec 2012 #32
Okay, let me say it this way 20 kids and 6 adults. Happier now? nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #73
I think the fact that so many of the victims were children has really hit home with people. Chemisse Dec 2012 #131
Assuming she wasn't a responsible owner... HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #35
Wow - that's like ThoughtCriminal Dec 2012 #65
Crack cocaine doesn't kill everyone in the U.S., so it should be readily available for everyone Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #72
You're making a strawman argument. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #84
Hunting? Fine. Ban all other guns. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #85
Bushmaster .223 is advertised as a hunting gun ProdigalJunkMail Dec 2012 #89
And banning all other guns will NOT solve the problem. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #92
this i have no problem with... ProdigalJunkMail Dec 2012 #94
There's a death-and-gun fetish in this country that I found in no other country I lived in Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #99
There's a video game fetish, why not blame them? HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #121
Because people don't get shot by game videos. They get shot by guns, using bullets. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #124
Certainly steps can be taken in that direction. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #103
It is useful for some hunting, HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #102
How about target or skeet-shooting? HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #98
There are more guns than adults here. In the U.K. guns are very strictly controlled Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #104
Well, here's some numbers for you. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #107
No, we don't. Not really... Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #67
"No, we don't. Not really... We have more shootings than we should" Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #71
Nice reasoned, cogent response there. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #82
this is the sort of response you get from the 'can we finally have a discussion about guns' ProdigalJunkMail Dec 2012 #90
Sadly, I think you're spot-on. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #93
Agreed susanr516 Dec 2012 #79
That's right, EVERY gun owner is responsible RomneyLies Dec 2012 #38
All gun owners are no more responsible than all mentally ill people are. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #66
Are you making an argument that because *everyone* doesn't get shot, that it's okay Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #74
what is a high rate to you? ProdigalJunkMail Dec 2012 #91
Please stop it. You're talking to someone who lived in Europe, and felt considerably safer because Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #95
but there is violence in Europe as well ProdigalJunkMail Dec 2012 #97
This is what I responded to someone who has the same opinion as you.... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #105
so why does the UK have a higher rate of violent crime in general? ProdigalJunkMail Dec 2012 #112
You love to change the subject. We're talking guns and DEATH Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #117
you said you felt safer so i was asking ProdigalJunkMail Dec 2012 #122
I said I felt safer because I do. I don't want to live in a war zone where gun deaths are rampant. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #123
i am not carrying a gun... ProdigalJunkMail Dec 2012 #125
I'm not carrying a gun either, and I resent being forced to live in a war zone by gun-lovers nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #126
i would wager that any feeling you have about living in a warzone ProdigalJunkMail Dec 2012 #135
Wrong as usual. It has to do with the risk of being shot in the U.S. versus Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #138
How many times have you ever heard anyone say that they weren't responable about anything? Carnage251 Dec 2012 #34
As much as I think we need more gun control - Nancy never expected this Taverner Dec 2012 #6
If she never expected this, that means we have to on her behalf. jeff47 Dec 2012 #19
My brother was 12 when he figured out how to crack my parent's safe (contained jewelry) Dems to Win Dec 2012 #47
Gun safes are a tad better constructed than most home "Jewelry" safes. jeff47 Dec 2012 #48
of course. Still, kids do learn passwords and combinations..... Dems to Win Dec 2012 #49
How do you know they weren't in a safe? HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #50
Its been reported that the guns were not secured (nt) jeff47 Dec 2012 #59
I have not seen that report. Do you have a link? HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #62
Well, google's right over there. jeff47 Dec 2012 #69
I just spent an hour on google, finding no mention. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #70
If you love your family, you don't have guns. Period. Dems to Win Dec 2012 #8
They're all "responsible" xfundy Dec 2012 #10
All gun owners are responsible gun owners until they're not. N/T Bonhomme Richard Dec 2012 #12
Doesn't matter ramapo Dec 2012 #13
Do we now know she was sleeping...like shot in her bed? And that the weapons were not libdem4life Dec 2012 #15
60 Minutes said shot four times in the head... WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2012 #25
Oh my. It's just hard to imagine her bearing all of the blame for this libdem4life Dec 2012 #36
Screw her soul, whatever you think that is. HERVEPA Dec 2012 #81
Many on this board are #1, maybe #2 and until someone proves to me that her guns libdem4life Dec 2012 #83
Yea, there's a whole lot of rush to judgement and knee-jerk responses here on DU. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #86
They were her guns HERVEPA Dec 2012 #109
We don't know if son had previous indication of violence, HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #110
Christ! HERVEPA Dec 2012 #113
We don't know how accurate that description was. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #114
JFC obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #96
Every driver in America is also better than average if they judge themselves. Kablooie Dec 2012 #17
And everyone's kid is "above average". HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #88
if you consider a basic risk assesment matrix pasto76 Dec 2012 #21
Are You 100% Certain Ms Lanza Iggy Dec 2012 #22
I have no idea about her thoughts on her son's mental stability. RomneyLies Dec 2012 #24
We Already Know Numerous Gun Owners are NOT Responsble Iggy Dec 2012 #31
Beats me. Because they should. And we need to work to make that the new way of doing things. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #43
WRONG Answer >>>> Iggy Dec 2012 #115
The NRA isn't God. We can defeat them. I think we now have the momentum. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #119
Shit, I'm not the most responsible gun owner out there... OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #26
There was much that was going on in that family.... ReRe Dec 2012 #27
How do you know that? HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #33
Seconded. libdem4life Dec 2012 #37
You have your opinion, I have mine. ReRe Dec 2012 #42
Your own words- "she is 100% responsible". HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #53
I said ReRe Dec 2012 #56
Meaning she was 100% responsible for her son getting the guns. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #60
I find your attitude about gun owner safety obligations to be quite disturbing. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #44
Well, then you're batting zero on your guesses. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #55
Oh, you knew her? HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #28
And a 'piss poor' parent...perhaps? eom Purveyor Dec 2012 #29
Yep. They're like all those 'responsible' pit bull owners who are shocked when their little valerief Dec 2012 #30
Honestly, everyone who has a gun in their home should think about undeterred Dec 2012 #45
I'm pretty sure most of the conjecture about her is not all that productive Major Nikon Dec 2012 #51
Wow, a voice of reason. nt HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #78
She was just enjoying her 2nd amendment rights to own those highpowered guns LynneSin Dec 2012 #52
The kid was brought up in gun culture - that ain't responsible. Hoyt Dec 2012 #54
My mom thinks she's a responsible gun owner abelenkpe Dec 2012 #57
And that is why we need much stronger regulations and limits Marrah_G Dec 2012 #61
She may have been Berserker Dec 2012 #63
More to the point, the NRA, and those who issue Concealed Weapons Permits... MinM Dec 2012 #80
Actually, no. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #87
If she had lived ... quiche Dec 2012 #100
She didn't own any automatic weapons. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #106
She was shot with her own guns. Demobrat Dec 2012 #101
So you know how son got access to the guns? HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #108
I don't have to know how he did it. Demobrat Dec 2012 #111
The school was also secured, yet he got in. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #116
Not very responsible, eh? n/t RomneyLies Dec 2012 #120
It is scary that so many people just believe what the media puts out there... mizz pibb. Dec 2012 #118
Regardless of what media reports, there's a lot of DUers flat out making shit up. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #136
Also blows apart the "but MY guns are SAFE" myth. Care Acutely Dec 2012 #137
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