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112. When was the last time you taught a kid who murdered someone?

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:58 PM

Dec 2012

My most recent was 2 years ago. He was 13 when he committed murder.

If you think I don't know enough about violence because I don't play violent video games, you are sorely mistaken.

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The violent videogames. Yes, they are a contributor. [View all] Safetykitten Dec 2012 OP

Except of course that there is zero evidence for causality or correlation. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #1

and we are off... Safetykitten Dec 2012 #2

Difference being theKed Dec 2012 #20

bzzt wrong. I posted links in another thread on this. cali Dec 2012 #39

Somebody else did, too, in another thread theKed Dec 2012 #47

Now THATS a debunking...oh wait, is it ownage? Safetykitten Dec 2012 #56

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #59

Finally! Thank you. I am a troll. You GOT ME! Safetykitten Dec 2012 #61

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #139

These numbers prove NOTHING. From your own link: chimpymustgo Dec 2012 #80

This should help you work through that. theKed Dec 2012 #82

And the NRA and Gun Owners of America will show you ... earthside Dec 2012 #81

Woah. theKed Dec 2012 #85

Woe... mizz pibb. Dec 2012 #192

Let's try again theKed Dec 2012 #91

Violent Video Games Alter Brain Function in Young Men (IU 2006 study) krawhitham Dec 2012 #86

Actually, yes theKed Dec 2012 #92

Damm Huns Kalidurga Dec 2012 #107

Why don't you provide some links to ACTUAL peer reviewed scientific studies then Matariki Dec 2012 #182

except there is. mixed studies for sure, but to say there is zero evidence is wrong. cali Dec 2012 #38

So why are school killings no more prevalent today than 40 years ago? Major Nikon Dec 2012 #83

Yes there's that Major Nikon Dec 2012 #78

I don't buy the video game argument either nachosgrande Dec 2012 #128

Guns don't kill people, games do. Cobalt Violet Dec 2012 #3

Actually, I've read a couple of articles that said he was a "gamer," but were they accurate? idk. reformist2 Dec 2012 #5

Oh, what nonsense! IF he did it was Hello Kitty...you know, that kind of game. Safetykitten Dec 2012 #6

links keroro gunsou Dec 2012 #8

Here's a link, from the Independent: reformist2 Dec 2012 #22

"He is said to have been a fan of computer games featuring warfare and killing." Cobalt Violet Dec 2012 #70

But soon this is going to be like saying he was a "cell phone user". Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #84

A gamer in what sense? What games did he play? NickB79 Dec 2012 #110

For the past two generations, that's like saying 'he was a movie-goer'. Marr Dec 2012 #111

Hell hath no fury like a video gamer and beloved violent games being attacked. Safetykitten Dec 2012 #4

Yep. I love the personal anecdotes of peace-loving gamers... as if that proves anything. reformist2 Dec 2012 #7

The only thing lacking proof is your extraordinary claim that violent video games are dangerous. Kurska Dec 2012 #11

take your condesention keroro gunsou Dec 2012 #13

Correct all the "studies" they cite are correlational. Kurska Dec 2012 #17

Sounding a little hostile... reformist2 Dec 2012 #19

The climate change argument. Safetykitten Dec 2012 #34

Ease off on the condescension theKed Dec 2012 #40

Can you say that in gamer? Safetykitten Dec 2012 #46

Tell you what theKed Dec 2012 #49

B-b-but the data that says that violent people play violent video games. Kurska Dec 2012 #52

Sooo, lets give them more violence! Excellent idea! Safetykitten Dec 2012 #55

Shoo! theKed Dec 2012 #63

and speaking as a gamer keroro gunsou Dec 2012 #16

Used to be comic books. Whatever. I think I know who is really delusional in this argument. CBGLuthier Dec 2012 #9

It used to be mass printed books Nevernose Dec 2012 #53

I remember when it was D&D n/t RomneyLies Dec 2012 #142

Me too. There should loads of us from the 70s and 80s out rampaging now, except that GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #173

They are played worldwide jberryhill Dec 2012 #10

Oh yes, what could be the difference. What could it possibly be? Safetykitten Dec 2012 #27

...huh? nt theKed Dec 2012 #41

English, please? jberryhill Dec 2012 #57

I agree kwolf68 Dec 2012 #12

Where is the proof? theKed Dec 2012 #24

Dumbest post of the day, and it's only 8:42 AM EST. Dawgs Dec 2012 #14

It's gonna be theKed Dec 2012 #25

Nice try. Safetykitten Dec 2012 #30

At what? theKed Dec 2012 #33

The gamer for gun control. How odd an existence that would be. Safetykitten Dec 2012 #45

Then why theKed Dec 2012 #50

You say you are. 2ndAmForComputers Dec 2012 #162

It's the phenomenon of "I don't do or own<insert hobby or item here> therefore it should be banned" Puzzledtraveller Dec 2012 #98

6:50 PM AST and it's maintaining that position. (nt) Posteritatis Dec 2012 #169

Well, there's opinion and snark. Matariki Dec 2012 #183

Everyone's personal crusade is coming out... Lightbulb_on Dec 2012 #15

Dead bodies make great soap boxes for zealots of all shades. ag_dude Dec 2012 #29

Whatever you didn't like before it happened - that's the cause jberryhill Dec 2012 #77

Stop trying to derail the conversation... Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #18

Oh yes, I am so NRA. Gamer fanatic much? Safetykitten Dec 2012 #32

You use the word "gamer" as if it was, intrinsically, an insult. 2ndAmForComputers Dec 2012 #154

+1 Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #134

Yep, called it. Rex Dec 2012 #138

They don't, and it's frankly a stupid assertion. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #21

It's not stupid at all. In fact, dismissing the idea out of hand reduces your credibility. reformist2 Dec 2012 #28

It's quite easy to dismiss the idea out of hand Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #62

Hey, stop making sense!!!!!! bayareamike Dec 2012 #151

There are a lot of psycho kids in other countries, they just don't have access to guns. reformist2 Dec 2012 #167

You do know though that Loughner did not nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #187

Don't forget movies and television shows. jackbenimble Dec 2012 #23

sigh. Starry Messenger Dec 2012 #26

Wow. That really proved us wrong. :/ reformist2 Dec 2012 #31

Try the top link. It's PBS. Starry Messenger Dec 2012 #37

The streches of logic are amazing when gamers are confronted. Safetykitten Dec 2012 #43

I've got it. Science is in on the conspiracy too. Starry Messenger Dec 2012 #48

Science is not, but the game companies are. Safetykitten Dec 2012 #60

PBS is part of the eldritch Big Gamer cabal too? Starry Messenger Dec 2012 #65

You forgot the federal crime statistics nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #190

Electronic Arts is the RJ Reynolds of our time. Codeine Dec 2012 #178

Did your girlfriend leave you for a gamer or something? 2ndAmForComputers Dec 2012 #157

So PBS and the Feds are part of the conspiracy? nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #188

It's that damn Rock and Roll. It's the Devil's music...nt SidDithers Dec 2012 #35

Exactly. Same argument, different decade. Initech Dec 2012 #119

This message was self-deleted by its author theKed Dec 2012 #36

You see, killing people on screen in uber violent specatacles has nothing to do with anything. Safetykitten Dec 2012 #42

Proof of any of this? AngryAmish Dec 2012 #75

Sane people know the difference between fantasy and reality. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #44

All this and more in a nation that watches Fox News. Safetykitten Dec 2012 #54

sigh. theKed Dec 2012 #58

This message was self-deleted by its author Shankapotomus Dec 2012 #69

What was the last video game you played, of any kind? Occulus Dec 2012 #104

I get the feeling the OP hasn't played a game in his/her entire life. white_wolf Dec 2012 #163

Yes, sane people WinniSkipper Dec 2012 #166

Even as someone who has played some of the various war video games Shankapotomus Dec 2012 #51

This. CrispyQ Dec 2012 #96

so... people who support, defend, etc violent video games Locrian Dec 2012 #64

It's not the same argument. theKed Dec 2012 #68

ok Locrian Dec 2012 #126

It is ignorant to think that there was just one simple answer. It can be a toxic stew of medication, Pisces Dec 2012 #66

Well said. JohnnyLib2 Dec 2012 #73

That sounds about right cpwm17 Dec 2012 #94

Don't Forget Dungeons and Dragons! NeedleCast Dec 2012 #67

Where's Jack Chick when we really need him? theKed Dec 2012 #71

Chick Tracts NeedleCast Dec 2012 #72

BLACK LEAF, NOOO! Codeine Dec 2012 #176

Heavy metal music, too. AngryAmish Dec 2012 #76

Mixed romana Dec 2012 #74

Agreed. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #79

What was the last video game you played, of any kind, and when? Occulus Dec 2012 #106

When was the last time you spent any time with a violent kid? proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #108

When was the last time such kid nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #184

When was the last time you taught a kid who murdered someone? proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #112

So your answer is "never" Occulus Dec 2012 #113

Refusing to answer a stupid question doesn't mean I lost the argument proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #125

"I've played every violent video game as soon as it hits the market." Occulus Dec 2012 #131

I just played Glow Fish. It's a maze where you encircle aggressive fish and turn them into "friends" KittyWampus Dec 2012 #155

Right. Shadowflash Dec 2012 #87

Adam Lanza played video games? SoonerPride Dec 2012 #88

I've played very violent video games for years. I own no gun. I have no desire to hurt anyone. phleshdef Dec 2012 #89

That is you. Are you on medication for mental health issues, are you diagnosed ADHD, were you abused Pisces Dec 2012 #101

I'll ask you, too. Occulus Dec 2012 #105

You could replace "violent video games" with "violent books", "violent music", "violent whatever". phleshdef Dec 2012 #130

Right. bayareamike Dec 2012 #152

But you are contributing to the violent currents in our collective consciousness. KittyWampus Dec 2012 #156

Things like what you just said make me want to violently scoop my eyes out with a spoon. phleshdef Dec 2012 #165

This sort of post is why people don't take Democrats seriously. ny Codeine Dec 2012 #177

on what do you blame the violence that occured BEFORE there were violent video games? leftyohiolib Dec 2012 #90

Comic books, rock and roll music, those no-good Tudors. theKed Dec 2012 #93

Videogames are so powerful Codeine Dec 2012 #181

yes they create a spining vortex of pure evil, an opening of the very mouth of hell out of which leftyohiolib Dec 2012 #194

I watched the most violent game in America last night. raouldukelives Dec 2012 #95

I have played violent video games since I was a kid siouxsiecreamcheese Dec 2012 #97

Most med school students/surgeons game OhioChick Dec 2012 #99

My son is not allowed to play his shooter games for at least until after the new year... cynatnite Dec 2012 #100

That's fair. Occulus Dec 2012 #124

My son is 13 years old for one thing.... cynatnite Dec 2012 #127

I thought it was the Marilyn Manson with his devil music! Drunken Irishman Dec 2012 #102

Nothing like making up something to fit how you want things to be. Rex Dec 2012 #103

Ever read Don Quixote? Marr Dec 2012 #109

I agree, these games have become so bloodthirsty and the fact that flamingdem Dec 2012 #114

What was the last video game you played, of any kind, and when? Occulus Dec 2012 #115

Hello, I was making video games for a living flamingdem Dec 2012 #118

Titles, please Occulus Dec 2012 #121

Such as? jeff47 Dec 2012 #123

Such as? Rex Dec 2012 #137

Glow Fish. KittyWampus Dec 2012 #159

What constitutes a violent videogame? Wednesdays Dec 2012 #116

I play Borderlands, Call Of Duty, Skyrim, and Assassin's Creed. Initech Dec 2012 #117

Some great titles there RomneyLies Dec 2012 #144

I also play a lot of Civilization V. Love that game. Initech Dec 2012 #147

I play quite a bit of WoW RomneyLies Dec 2012 #148

You really should find out about video games before you decide to ban them jeff47 Dec 2012 #120

That took longer than I expected. And what do all of these 'causes' have in common? n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #122

Find the statistics that show crime going up with video game usage, I'll eat my hat. Exultant Democracy Dec 2012 #129

I made a similar point in another thread. Puzzledtraveller Dec 2012 #133

Sorry, I was too busy reading The Catcher In The Rye while listening to Judas Priest backwards thelordofhell Dec 2012 #132

NO! It's those scandalous penny-dreadful novels! backscatter712 Dec 2012 #135

Ban Lady Chatterly's Lover! n/t backscatter712 Dec 2012 #136

I'm sorry to say but I think this is just a convenient excuse Xyzse Dec 2012 #140

I though about that angle as well but the kids weren't the only thing important to his mother Uncle Joe Dec 2012 #143

That is definitely possible too. Xyzse Dec 2012 #145

As to your question, jealousy or to feel? I have no answer. Uncle Joe Dec 2012 #146

Somehow, I also considered the December 21 idea Xyzse Dec 2012 #150

I suppose you denounce the United States Army, then RomneyLies Dec 2012 #141

and... LP2K12 Dec 2012 #149

You "bet" this kid played video games? SomethingFishy Dec 2012 #153

Definitely want to add the Bible to your list of violent things to throw out. Matariki Dec 2012 #185

Not buying this. MILLIONS play video games in countries that have no massacres like ours. ancianita Dec 2012 #158

That's because they don't have guns. It doesn't disprove the idea that video games are a problem. reformist2 Dec 2012 #168

They don't have guns? Got any proof of that? A number of them have legalized gun ownership. ancianita Dec 2012 #195

Yes, anything except the obvious, i.e. the fact that he used a gun designed to kill lots of people. Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #160

Correlation does not equal causation davidn3600 Dec 2012 #161

I think it's more the movies and TV than the video games. woodsprite Dec 2012 #164

You better keep an eye on me then justiceischeap Dec 2012 #170

These two things just made my day better. Heywood J Dec 2012 #171

Japan has the same violent videogames, Chisox08 Dec 2012 #172

When you show correlation nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #174

I shot a gun once when I was a kid. Hated it. I don't even like games with guns. dogknob Dec 2012 #175

The glorification of violence is a big factor, but doens't fit the agenda, so Skip Intro Dec 2012 #179

You assume that gamers are as half witted Riftaxe Dec 2012 #180

I've been a gamer for 32 of my 36 years. TheBadWolf Dec 2012 #186

34 of 43... dogknob Dec 2012 #189

I used to play "US Navy Fighters" XRubicon Dec 2012 #191

I happened to see one once and was horrified. mizz pibb. Dec 2012 #193