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Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
12. The gunsters have a lot of anecdotes and talking points that are BS
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:04 PM
Dec 2012

"Arm all of the teachers to prevent school massacres". "The 2nd Amendment protects us from tyranny". "You've never been safer than you are now". "If a person is determined to kill, he'll find a way with or without a gun". These are really bizarre.

Oh---but it makes us safer. trumad Dec 2012 #1
That's a paranoid fantasy of gun nuts _ed_ Dec 2012 #2
They don't see the movie Red Dawn as a work of fiction, but more like a training film. Waltons_Mtn Dec 2012 #7
One they are not afraid to tell you liberal N proud Dec 2012 #118
because they have mainstreamed their delusions Skittles Dec 2012 #167
Many times its the same crowd liberal N proud Dec 2012 #169
Thank you. LisaLynne Dec 2012 #3
Now ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #4
+1,000. freshwest Dec 2012 #40
YOU KNOW IT 1StrongBlackMan Skittles Dec 2012 #168
Considering that 8 MILLION people have concealed weapon permits in the US, sounds like an epic fail. reformist2 Dec 2012 #5
Considering that TEN THOUSAND Americans are killed by guns every year Zoeisright Dec 2012 #141
I have no idea what your point is. reformist2 Dec 2012 #146
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #6
How many of these killings took place in such zones? Robb Dec 2012 #9
Most of them. Indydem Dec 2012 #11
4 is not most of 62. Robb Dec 2012 #15
Care to point me in the direction of this list of 62 so I can provide you with an accurate count? Indydem Dec 2012 #19
The link is at the OP. Robb Dec 2012 #29
Yeah Shadowflash Dec 2012 #39
Yep, you got that right. And just how do armed, trained, on the job cops get killed? freshwest Dec 2012 #42
black and white RegieRocker Dec 2012 #83
Who's B & W? Guns always save, or guns don't always save? Did you read my post? freshwest Dec 2012 #88
I Disagree With You fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #119
Virginia Tech had a police force & Columbine had a Resouce Officer byeya Dec 2012 #131
doesn't seem to happen in congress aandegoons Dec 2012 #10
Really? Indydem Dec 2012 #13
Gun free zone is an NRA talking point nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #46
well heaven05 Dec 2012 #79
"Gun Free Zone" = NRA talking point RomneyLies Dec 2012 #14
Except for the fact that it's the name of the legislation. Indydem Dec 2012 #16
I don't care how much you train on a range RomneyLies Dec 2012 #20
That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. Indydem Dec 2012 #23
That is FACT, not opinion RomneyLies Dec 2012 #25
You don't know the difference between fact and opinion. That is a fact. nt DesMoinesDem Dec 2012 #43
You are obviously the one who is confused. RomneyLies Dec 2012 #45
Nope, I'm not confused about anything. DesMoinesDem Dec 2012 #55
I know what fact means and you have rejected the definition RomneyLies Dec 2012 #63
I was right. You did write a really, really stupid reply to my post! DesMoinesDem Dec 2012 #72
I cannot talk with somebody who rejects facts RomneyLies Dec 2012 #73
You are the one that is denying the definition of fact. DesMoinesDem Dec 2012 #80
You've heard the expression - the exception that proves the rule - right? GoneOffShore Dec 2012 #95
That was never my point. DesMoinesDem Dec 2012 #116
My god.... Ineeda Dec 2012 #117
Are you kidding? What a pathetic attack. DesMoinesDem Dec 2012 #120
This message was self-deleted by its author former-republican Dec 2012 #69
You should go to Vegas or buy on the stock market... Lightbulb_on Dec 2012 #98
BULLSHIT! Cops do not train constantly. Many only train when they have to qualify, perhaps twice TPaine7 Dec 2012 #140
Do you know how long it took the killer to complete his massacre? JDPriestly Dec 2012 #44
That's not a fact nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #47
Ever been under direct fire tough hombre? I have. I talk from experience, AlbertCat Dec 2012 #82
So you think she had the five extra seconds to reach for it, nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #90
VSo you think she had the five extra seconds to reach for it, AlbertCat Dec 2012 #96
We have exactly one nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #99
"Ever been under direct fire tough hombre? I have." zappaman Dec 2012 #130
Provided she was not doing her job and sitting by the safe... And the Giffords shooter freshwest Dec 2012 #48
Well, if she had a gun in the safe, she still may not have been able to use it. haele Dec 2012 #77
You're right she could have done more if she had possessed a gun. Mike Daniels Dec 2012 #89
First of all, John2 Dec 2012 #125
Does this include police officers? n/t Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #27
Police Officers train specifically for these sorts of incidents RomneyLies Dec 2012 #38
Then we all need trainig RegieRocker Dec 2012 #86
No, we should BAN conceal carry RomneyLies Dec 2012 #87
Nope. RegieRocker Dec 2012 #104
MOAR GUNZ is an NRA lie RomneyLies Dec 2012 #113
Gun violence has gone done as the number of states allowing CC has gone up. DesMoinesDem Dec 2012 #122
And crime has been going down everywhere caseymoz Dec 2012 #126
I never claimed that gun violence wasn't going down everywhere DesMoinesDem Dec 2012 #148
You have it backwards nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #103
Nope RegieRocker Dec 2012 #105
Whatever NRA parrot. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #108
Anti gunner crow RegieRocker Dec 2012 #156
Funny, I am a gun owner nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #157
But you said it doesn't matter if you train on a range. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #128
Public ranges are nothing at all like the combat ranges police train on RomneyLies Dec 2012 #132
I've been shooting for 30 years, and I shoot competitively. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #135
I don't care how well you shoot RomneyLies Dec 2012 #137
I'll take my chances, thanks. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #149
I'd take no civilians with guns over adding civilians with guns to the mix RomneyLies Dec 2012 #152
A law dormant since 1995 alp227 Dec 2012 #70
Err.. Disingenuous at best. X_Digger Dec 2012 #74
Thanks for reposting NRA talking points _ed_ Dec 2012 #17
It's not a talking point. It's a law. Indydem Dec 2012 #18
It's both the name of a law and a right-wing NRA talking point _ed_ Dec 2012 #21
Do you have an illiteracy problem? jeff47 Dec 2012 #22
The Fort Hood shooting was on a military base. It was stopped by military police.nt CJCRANE Dec 2012 #24
So we tried MOAR GUNZ and it was na EPIC FAIL! RomneyLies Dec 2012 #8
The gunsters have a lot of anecdotes and talking points that are BS Doctor_J Dec 2012 #12
The excuse I like best is... Little Star Dec 2012 #31
I had that argument with someone yesterday. stevenleser Dec 2012 #114
Pearl High School shooting, stopped by principal with gun snooper2 Dec 2012 #26
No, MJ's catch-22 rules that one out.. X_Digger Dec 2012 #28
Yep, and when both sides do it they look foolish and fucking stupid snooper2 Dec 2012 #33
No sir. Answer post #34, FULLY or stow it jsmirman Dec 2012 #36
In the Pearl High School case, it appears that the killer simply decided to leave. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #56
Yeah, the killer decided to leave and go to an ELEMENTARY SCHOOL snooper2 Dec 2012 #60
And... not the point. The point being that he was in a position to be more easily subdued. jsmirman Dec 2012 #65
Thanks, kind of expected that was the answer jsmirman Dec 2012 #61
I'm sorry but Dianne Sawyer cannot prove a falsehood. "Ordinary trained gun owners have stopped TPaine7 Dec 2012 #139
The other crazy thing is that your one anecdotal story is incomplete - "Subdued" - how??? jsmirman Dec 2012 #37
www.google.com snooper2 Dec 2012 #84
Pathetic jsmirman Dec 2012 #93
I am not now nor have I ever been a member of the NRA party snooper2 Dec 2012 #97
Well, you haven't brought anything convincing to the party, regardless jsmirman Dec 2012 #101
And Appalachian School doesn't count whistler162 Dec 2012 #76
One is a security guard, so doesn't seem to apply - not some random armed citizen jsmirman Dec 2012 #34
It is a valid rebuttal sarisataka Dec 2012 #41
Oh dear, I knew that was coming. NO ONE CARES. Apparently it doesn't fit their statistical rule jsmirman Dec 2012 #59
So if a person makes an absolute statement sarisataka Dec 2012 #92
You're just wrong, and it's because you're trying to be lawyerly and you're doing it wrong jsmirman Dec 2012 #100
OK, I read the article sarisataka Dec 2012 #134
I believe they used the FBI's criteria - not something they made up. jsmirman Dec 2012 #166
The Mother Jones article is being dishonest, you can have a debate while still using facts at hand- snooper2 Dec 2012 #57
If you read the Mother Jones article, you learn that it adopts the FBI definition of a mass shooting JDPriestly Dec 2012 #67
So, let's break this down - over almost 15 years jsmirman Dec 2012 #68
I don't have a bone on either side of this debate...It would help if folks just looked at all the snooper2 Dec 2012 #78
A combination of stories like that which show a PATTERN of utility to civilian gun ownership jsmirman Dec 2012 #109
Stabbing spree intaglio Dec 2012 #115
I don't believe your claim of impartiality pscot Dec 2012 #121
You shouldn't believe anything you read online without doing your own verification snooper2 Dec 2012 #123
Not prevented... nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #50
Gun nut logic. mikeysnot Dec 2012 #71
Pearl High School shooting, stopped by principal with gun AlbertCat Dec 2012 #85
Excellent post RegieRocker Dec 2012 #102
But they are usually cut short by *someone* with a gun. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #30
More guns is an NRA talking point. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #52
I don't care who's talking point it is. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #127
Yup, in this case the gunman himself. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #136
Sure - after the police show up. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #144
It is nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #147
No one is suggesting we don't need laws. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #155
That would be the police pscot Dec 2012 #143
But the magical police can do it with magical ease! Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #145
I get it...let's go fully to what you are saying nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #150
They're gun drunk pscot Dec 2012 #153
No, obviously we need police Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #154
So once again nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #158
I've never suggested that everyone has to carry a gun. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #159
But that is the end result of the logic that more guns are a solution nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #160
Nah. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #161
Sorry, the ccw stoping anything are mostly nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #162
Get rid of them all. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #163
You know, you will find agreement with that position here as well nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #164
Yes, fine. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #165
When the shooting in Tucson took place nearly two years ago, SheilaT Dec 2012 #32
I recall reading that there was a man with a gun (and CC permit) at the Tucson scene. IggleDoer Dec 2012 #51
Impossible AlexSatan Dec 2012 #66
He was inside the Safeway when the shooting started. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #124
It was stopped by an unarmed civilian. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #54
It's one of those gun nut fantasies MrScorpio Dec 2012 #35
There is ONE nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #62
*tagging for later Marr Dec 2012 #49
This falls right into their argument about arming the entire populace... secondwind Dec 2012 #53
We all know what happens when there are MOAR GUNZ! RomneyLies Dec 2012 #58
Sure. Marinedem Dec 2012 #64
So what is your solution? alp227 Dec 2012 #75
Bring semiautomatic rifles Marinedem Dec 2012 #110
So your solution is everybody gets issued a glock 9mm nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #94
No. Marinedem Dec 2012 #112
I am taking this logic all the way to it's logical end. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #138
More guns do not make us safe RockaFowler Dec 2012 #81
Wow! 2012 has been a banner year! struggle4progress Dec 2012 #91
Thanks kpete progressoid Dec 2012 #106
Personal story DissidentVoice Dec 2012 #107
I saw this last night regarding our very own local shooting last week. Still Blue in PDX Dec 2012 #111
This was on FB from my only remaining hardcore Conservative friend Patiod Dec 2012 #133
I have too many of those. Still Blue in PDX Dec 2012 #142
NOT TRUE AT ALL - "In not a single case was the killing stopped by a civilian using a gun." Jumping John Dec 2012 #129
Interesting that the casualties have really shot up since junior instituted pre-emptive war indepat Dec 2012 #151
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