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I don't think sane people do anything like that. rrneck Dec 2012 #1
Sane men rape, torture and kill children every day. There's a diff. between insanity & something Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #72
Maybe. rrneck Dec 2012 #74
They can be sane, and they often are. So say the court appointed psychiatrists. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #75
That's a good point. rrneck Dec 2012 #76
"Insanity" in the world, generally, differs from insanity defense in a courtroom. elleng Dec 2012 #84
Thx. Yes, that's how I think of insanity... Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #92
Sociopaths are never considered insane, legally speaking laundry_queen Dec 2012 #86
Interesting. I saw an FBI guy on TV... Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #89
I think you're right. rrneck Dec 2012 #122
Neither can I. Jamastiene Dec 2012 #123
It's hard for me to believe that anybody could look at a child and then shoot them Jamastiene Dec 2012 #110
I agree. rrneck Dec 2012 #121
If he was a sociopath, just think - OhZone Dec 2012 #129
i don't post much but you have to be kidding... blue sky at night Dec 2012 #2
Yup, sane. Scootaloo Feb 2013 #151
Because it should be clear to any rational person elleng Dec 2012 #3
Right. So if he wasn't insane why did he do it? allrevvedup Dec 2012 #12
He WAS insane, and he DID it. elleng Dec 2012 #17
There's no indication he was insane. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #79
There is EVERY indication he was elleng Dec 2012 #81
People are stuck on the courtroom definition of insanity. immoderate Dec 2012 #131
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Was the 20-year old a professional assassin? allrevvedup Dec 2012 #23
The 'evidence that's emerged so far' is not available to us. elleng Dec 2012 #26
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That's ridiculous muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #38
We shouldn't feed the trolls, just alert on them. nt geek tragedy Jan 2013 #142
Well, John2 Dec 2012 #41
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Virtuoso shootong skill? pangaia Dec 2012 #58
Especially if they were huddled in the corner. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #66
My post the other day was hidden for suggesting as much. nt valerief Dec 2012 #59
You're lucky you didn't get banned for Sandy Hook trutherism. nt geek tragedy Jan 2013 #143
At the time of that post, I hadn't realized how easily these over-the-counter death machines valerief Jan 2013 #148
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jan 2013 #144
Please Make this clear for me. hrmjustin Jan 2013 #145
Where is "unrec" when we need it. GoneOffShore Jan 2013 #147
Well that just flat out CT nonsense. Agschmid Feb 2013 #149
OJ was innocent too right? BootinUp Feb 2013 #150
Of course sane people kill children. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #78
I agree elleng, oddly though depending on the circumstances and crime Puzzledtraveller Dec 2012 #126
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So, what exactly was the "assassins" motivation? NT Llewlladdwr Dec 2012 #73
Can someone ban this insane gun nut troll please? nt geek tragedy Jan 2013 #141
This isn't an either/or situation. We need gun control *and* more mental health surveillance. reformist2 Dec 2012 #5
5 myths about mass shootings.... Myth#1. The shooter is insane riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #6
This should be it's own OP. cliffordu Dec 2012 #27
Thank you for the welcome and the great info Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2012 #45
That is referring to the legal definition of insanity. Live and Learn Dec 2012 #53
+1. Insane: Zorra Dec 2012 #62
Makes sense. I think some people confuse "mental problems" with "insanity." 2 diff. things. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #82
+1! uponit7771 Dec 2012 #96
best post on the thread Redfairen Dec 2012 #130
Because a sane person does not shoot up an elementary school davidn3600 Dec 2012 #7
"Something wrong" with someone does not equal insane. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #85
I personally think laundry_queen Dec 2012 #88
Hm. Maybe. I guess so. I don't relate to that way of thinking, though. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #93
Yea, you are correct nolabels Dec 2012 #107
Because.. primarily.. IT IS mental illness.... lib2DaBone Dec 2012 #8
Because it's a convenient scapegoat population that has enough trouble protecting itself. (nt) Posteritatis Dec 2012 #9
+1. Its NRA framing to deflect attention from the real problem - the guns. riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #15
Eh, it's not just an NRA thing. People in general are pretty damned ignorant on the topic. Posteritatis Dec 2012 #19
I agree most mentally ill people are non-violent, but so are most gun-owners. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #47
Oh but I believe this is precisely the point: is a "right" to live greater than your right to guns? riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #50
The Constitution guarantees both rights. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #68
Exactly. cliffordu Dec 2012 #29
+1000000 Jamastiene Dec 2012 #111
How is that scapegoating? Silent3 Dec 2012 #115
What I don't understand is why point at the mentally ill when Jamastiene Dec 2012 #118
Who "point[ed] at the mentally ill"? Silent3 Dec 2012 #120
Except that, yes, most of the discussions *do* open it up to "all forms of mental illness." Posteritatis Dec 2012 #137
i volunteer at a homeless shelter blueknight Dec 2012 #10
Because I believe it is true, as do the others that replied. ellaydubya Dec 2012 #11
So does cancer. Cetacea Dec 2012 #133
Because that is the official NRA backed talking point. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #13
Time to call their bluff and say we need to discuss mental illness *and* gun control! reformist2 Dec 2012 #14
No we need to get the guns under control independent of any other discussion. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #16
Sorry, you're not going to get a single-issue discussion, nor should you. reformist2 Dec 2012 #30
exactly. We need to address both gun control and mental illness. liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #61
So you are suggesting that Adam Lanza was not crazy? davidn3600 Dec 2012 #36
To be truthful, we don't have any answers on that. But stigmatizing the mentally ill by association riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #39
Yet you stigmatize gun-owners... HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #48
Considering the raw numbers you have a few too many nines there. Pholus Feb 2013 #152
50 million is far too low HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #153
Son, you're bringing a knife to a gun fight. You should know better. Pholus Feb 2013 #154
So you want to include injuries? HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #155
I can understand why you want to change the topic. Pholus Feb 2013 #156
Uh, YOU were the one who indtroduced injuries into the discussion, HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #157
Troll? I guess that's your version of Uncle? Pholus Feb 2013 #158
quoting articles is like quoting the bible liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #60
agree. why should we believe any details we are fed on this story. Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2012 #87
"why should be believe any details we are fed on this story" geek tragedy Jan 2013 #146
No. I am stating explicitly this a deliberate deflection from the obvious problem with gun control. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #109
Maybe. In a court of law, sanity is not defined by a Dx of mental illness or not. MichiganVote Dec 2012 #20
It's NRA diversion tactic # 290. nt sufrommich Dec 2012 #21
Correct. Which is especially sad, them co-opting the subject. Because it is a REAL issue kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #55
Because someone who kills 20 5 year olds, at close range, for no reason... Marrah_G Dec 2012 #22
If you've been reading everything and you think Adam Lanza was normal dkf Dec 2012 #24
You are right. Sane people commit horrible acts all the time. Was Hitler insane? Walk away Dec 2012 #25
After doing a bit of research... backscatter712 Dec 2012 #28
He was obviously not playing with full deck.... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #31
I think this act deserves its own special category of the criminally insane. Old and In the Way Dec 2012 #32
because he WAS mentally ill. nt Raine Dec 2012 #33
I am not sure if that is the case, however, it is in human nature to try and rationalize the still_one Dec 2012 #35
Yes there is the line between EXTREME anger an mental illness loyalsister Dec 2012 #37
...Because its easy to scapegoat a group that really doesn't have a voice. etherealtruth Dec 2012 #40
I appreciate everyone's thoughts. I just think "mental illness" Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2012 #42
It may be one of their weapons but it doesn't mean it doesn't merit attention. Live and Learn Dec 2012 #65
I agree the two are not mutually exclusive Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2012 #67
Because it is mental instability that makes a person shoot another. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #44
We can turn that around - 99.9% of the mentally ill won't shoot anyone either. riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #46
Right. There's a .00001% overlap that is the problem. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #49
Gun owners can have all the guns they want. They just can't be reckless with them. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #56
I agree with that. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #64
Nope. No more AKs and Bushmasters and the like. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #70
Now you're just being silly. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #83
Hmm, let's balance their "hobby" vs "a person's life" when it comes to restrictions riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #57
A hobby that's a constitutional right. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #63
Many, many sane German Wermacht committed mass killing against unarmed civilians LanternWaste Dec 2012 #134
I'm not most people know right from wrong........ Historic NY Dec 2012 #51
Probably because they are afraid to imagine Warpy Dec 2012 #52
Mental problems played a role, but those guns were not stored securely by their owner. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #54
I'm bothered by the same question. frustrated_lefty Dec 2012 #69
The 2 things aren't mutually exclusive. One is the CAUSE, the other is the METHOD of violence. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #71
Because it was certainly not driven by rationality jberryhill Dec 2012 #77
Because a sane person would not shoot up a bunch of helpless children. n/t Lil Missy Dec 2012 #80
Because it's the easy, lazy, and fills the need for a group to blame. cliffordu Dec 2012 #90
So you joined yesterday just to post this? n.t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #91
no. I joined to have a conversation about a lot of things. but this spurred me to join. An Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2012 #94
whether or not he met the legal and technical definition of insanity is one thing - but of course he Douglas Carpenter Dec 2012 #95
This society was perfectly willing to invade and occupy a country (Iraq) under coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #97
He was diagnosed with mental illness lbrtbell Dec 2012 #98
I'm not even sure Aspergers qualifies as a mental "illness". OrwellwasRight Dec 2012 #99
Aspergers is an autism spectrum disorder. 299.00 Autism is listed in the 2000 revision HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #103
Yes, I know quite well what it is, but I don't know that that qualifies as a mental "illness" OrwellwasRight Dec 2012 #135
The reason it has a diagnostic code is because it's recognized as a disorder. HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #138
Again, that is my point. OrwellwasRight Dec 2012 #139
You can think what you want about the semantics, I'm good with that. HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #140
Because it is not a line. The man's mental health issues were part of the Skidmore Dec 2012 #100
Ironically, much aggressive violence against others by the mentally _IS_ reactive defense HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #108
Both get the red out Dec 2012 #101
It's possible he was simply a rotten, evil, little SOB. Buns_of_Fire Dec 2012 #102
Because people are looking for any scapegoat they can find. It is misplaced aggression. Jamastiene Dec 2012 #104
This event created tremendous emotion stress and triggered deep fear HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #112
Horrible events like the school shootings seem to create a need for mental help Jamastiene Dec 2012 #117
Yes, they do create that need. HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #119
Anyone that shoots a bunch of kids in cold blood is insane. Non-debatable statement. Zorra Dec 2012 #105
It would be great if society could operationalize that certainty so that it becomes HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #113
Res ipsa loquitur Freddie Stubbs Dec 2012 #106
It's the intellectually lazy way to get themselves off the hook. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #114
That may be some of it, how much I don't know... HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #116
you aren't seriously suggesting that there wasn't mental illness in the case. librechik Dec 2012 #124
Because Big Pharma pays the corporate media a lot of money to divert attention No Compromise Dec 2012 #125
because sane Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2012 #127
Because obviously mental illness was the root cause of the tragedy slackmaster Dec 2012 #128
People seem to have a problem with the words "vast majority" Cetacea Dec 2012 #132
Just don't buy the idea the kid was emotionally unstable Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2012 #136
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