HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » General Discussion (Forum) » Say NO to the "Petit...
Introducing Discussionist: A new forum by the creators of DU

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:00 AM

Say NO to the "Petition to Forbid Support of the NRA on this Site." Here is why: [View all]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Violet_Crumble (a host of the General Discussion forum).

As a hunter, target shooter, and owner of a few guns in Maine where this is part of our culture, I also do NOT support the NRA. While they do actually offer gun use safety programs at target ranges, etc. they are mainly a corporate lobbying arm for the gun and ammo manufacturers that spend millions lobbying for the gun makers and attacking their opponents with viscious ads. This lobby has WAY too much pull. Also, they are extreme in their views and resist almost ANY attempt at reasonable gun control which I support. (i.e. closing registration and background check loopholes, banning assault weapons, etc.)

All that said, I think we should oppose the petition to stop any NRA members here from expressing their support of their membership in that organization. We do not need to get into this kind of censorship on a site that has always valued diversity of opinion. There are people on this site, regular users, who freely bash President Obama and other prominent Democrats all the time. THEY are allowed to express their views without censorship, but if a member is a card-carrying member of the NRA, a safe hunter and target shooter who supports gun ownership in a nation with a history of it, that person must worry about being censored? Is that really the DU way? No, it isn't. I'm sure there are FEW NRA members here on this site so this would be pretty moot anyhow, but there are a good number of gun-owning Democrats all over the nation who hunt, target shoot, and have weapons for personal safety who may also be card-carrying members of the NRA EVEN if they don't support everything the NRA does. These folks are still Democrats and support the party on a host of other issues. Some may be here at DU. They should not be shunned.

We MUST have some DIVERSITY in our party if we are to be a truly NATIONAL party. We DO NOT need to be an INTOLERANT leftwing version of the TeaPublicans who march in absolute lockstep and squash ANYONE who disagrees. I think it speaks well for Democrats that we have some people in our party who, though they agree with the majority on most issues, are able to disagree on some and are still WELCOMED and VALUED. There are some anti-abortion Democrats. There are some that have a disagreement with gay marriage. And there are some that are strong advocates of being able to own firearms for personal protection, target shooting, and hunting, and may even be NRA members. It is ok to have a few divergent views. That is DEMOCRACY. That is LIBERTY. That is AMERICA.

I am a Democrat because we are the BROAD party. We are the DIVERSE party. When I go to party meetings, there is a lot of deliberation, a lot of healthy disagreement, and a lot of work to reach consensus around many issues and the business at hand. This is HEALTHY. This is GOOD. We must not allow ourselves to go down a DANGEROUS road of INTOLERANCE and CENSORSHIP. That is much WORSE than allowing an NRA member to express a divergent viewpoint. The best route to take is to politely REFUTE views you disagree with, but we should not get into this kind of censorship and blanket intolerance. I know the Sandy Hook School tragedy has people in shock, including myself. But this is just when to take a deep breath and stay as calm as possible. Censorship and intolerance are not the answer. If you are opposed to the NRA, work politically with groups in favor of added gun control to oppose the positions of the NRA. Work through the political process. Contact your reps. Write letters to the editor and OP EDs. Etc. But censorship and banning the views of people with divergent views such as supporting the NRA? No. Not the way to go. Thanks.

132 replies, 6308 views

Cannot reply in locked threads

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 132 replies Author Time Post
Reply Say NO to the "Petition to Forbid Support of the NRA on this Site." Here is why: [View all]
RBInMaine Dec 2012 OP
Skittles Dec 2012 #1
letemrot Dec 2012 #2
baldguy Dec 2012 #24
randome Dec 2012 #33
letemrot Dec 2012 #106
billh58 Dec 2012 #120
letemrot Dec 2012 #121
Cobalt Violet Dec 2012 #36
letemrot Dec 2012 #110
RBInMaine Dec 2012 #3
Skittles Dec 2012 #4
RBInMaine Dec 2012 #9
Le Taz Hot Dec 2012 #46
Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #95
Le Taz Hot Dec 2012 #109
Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #122
billh58 Dec 2012 #105
RBInMaine Dec 2012 #10
RBInMaine Dec 2012 #11
RBInMaine Dec 2012 #13
billh58 Dec 2012 #107
RBInMaine Dec 2012 #14
Skittles Dec 2012 #16
Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2012 #20
billh58 Dec 2012 #108
Cobalt Violet Dec 2012 #53
RandiFan1290 Dec 2012 #5
RBInMaine Dec 2012 #8
Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #43
billh58 Dec 2012 #111
Kolesar Dec 2012 #70
Waiting For Everyman Dec 2012 #6
RBInMaine Dec 2012 #7
thucythucy Dec 2012 #99
MyNameGoesHere Dec 2012 #12
RBInMaine Dec 2012 #15
aandegoons Dec 2012 #19
FailureToCommunicate Dec 2012 #72
rainlillie Dec 2012 #67
cantbeserious Dec 2012 #100
billh58 Dec 2012 #115
Science Geek Dec 2012 #117
Cobalt Violet Dec 2012 #42
Major Nikon Dec 2012 #17
Madam Mossfern Dec 2012 #18
Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #30
Le Taz Hot Dec 2012 #51
blueamy66 Dec 2012 #64
cantbeserious Dec 2012 #101
hifiguy Dec 2012 #116
bongbong Dec 2012 #127
kurtzapril4 Dec 2012 #131
MichaelHarris Dec 2012 #21
boilerbabe Dec 2012 #22
davidpdx Dec 2012 #58
FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2012 #23
oldbanjo Dec 2012 #27
FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2012 #49
ann--- Dec 2012 #31
DrDan Dec 2012 #34
TheAmbivalante Dec 2012 #25
ann--- Dec 2012 #29
DrDan Dec 2012 #32
ann--- Dec 2012 #26
DrDan Dec 2012 #28
corkhead Dec 2012 #35
trumad Dec 2012 #37
FailureToCommunicate Dec 2012 #73
DanTex Dec 2012 #38
Cobalt Violet Dec 2012 #39
lexx21 Dec 2012 #40
Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #41
geckosfeet Dec 2012 #44
bloomington-lib Dec 2012 #45
sellitman Dec 2012 #47
FailureToCommunicate Dec 2012 #74
mainstreetonce Dec 2012 #48
virtualobserver Dec 2012 #50
Scuba Dec 2012 #52
sunwyn Dec 2012 #54
Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #55
davidpdx Dec 2012 #56
AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #112
davidpdx Dec 2012 #119
AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #125
cantbeserious Dec 2012 #57
OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #59
valerief Dec 2012 #60
RetroLounge Dec 2012 #61
freedom fighter jh Dec 2012 #62
MrMickeysMom Dec 2012 #63
rainlillie Dec 2012 #65
99Forever Dec 2012 #66
grantcart Dec 2012 #68
B Stieg Dec 2012 #69
rosesaylavee Dec 2012 #71
Marrah_G Dec 2012 #75
JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2012 #79
Marrah_G Dec 2012 #83
JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2012 #92
Pholus Dec 2012 #76
MightyMopar Dec 2012 #77
Hepburn Dec 2012 #78
obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #80
RomneyLies Dec 2012 #81
TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #82
Erose999 Dec 2012 #84
Saboburns Dec 2012 #85
Erose999 Dec 2012 #89
Saboburns Dec 2012 #90
Erose999 Dec 2012 #97
DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #86
OregonBlue Dec 2012 #87
freshwest Dec 2012 #129
we can do it Dec 2012 #88
JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2012 #91
we can do it Dec 2012 #93
JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2012 #96
we can do it Dec 2012 #98
Zoeisright Dec 2012 #94
cantbeserious Dec 2012 #102
LanternWaste Dec 2012 #103
billh58 Dec 2012 #104
Politicub Dec 2012 #113
bvar22 Dec 2012 #114
DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #118
neverforget Dec 2012 #123
davidpdx Dec 2012 #124
hrmjustin Dec 2012 #126
jberryhill Dec 2012 #128
cynatnite Dec 2012 #130
Violet_Crumble Dec 2012 #132