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35. No. Ignorance is always a bad place to legislate from
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:59 AM
Dec 2012

We don't want a repeat of the 94 assault weapons ban fiasco

our system is so broken, it doesn't matter what the citizenry wants spanone Dec 2012 #1
Good thing we aren't a democratic republic AlexSatan Dec 2012 #141
Cause a percentage of the money from sales of guns to be dedicated to supporting and shraby Dec 2012 #2
The only person who could put together a reasonable gun control former-republican Dec 2012 #3
Or seeks to live his/her life without the threat of these instruments of death TheCowsCameHome Dec 2012 #7
We are not going to ban all firearm ownership former-republican Dec 2012 #12
No. Ignorance is always a bad place to legislate from Recursion Dec 2012 #35
Ignorance of what? TheCowsCameHome Dec 2012 #130
Slap a huge tax on ammo, gun powder etc Greywing Dec 2012 #4
how would you get suck a tax passed rdking647 Dec 2012 #11
That WOULD NOT stop mass shootings. Money was not a factor in the decision!!! n-t Logical Dec 2012 #114
here's a few WooWooWoo Dec 2012 #5
There's nothing wrong with gun shows former-republican Dec 2012 #6
i think I was unclear with that WooWooWoo Dec 2012 #10
How about make it where only dealers can sell at gun shows. former-republican Dec 2012 #14
There is if they don't include background checks for gun buyers. whathehell Dec 2012 #19
All dealers have to use the NICS check for a firearm sale at gun shows former-republican Dec 2012 #28
"Gun shows should be dealer only"....Agree One Hundred Percent. n/t whathehell Dec 2012 #29
Checks are required for all dealer sales, regardless of location ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #51
I have been to many gun shows and have wittnessed randr Dec 2012 #91
YES!!!!!!!! axetogrind Dec 2012 #99
You're going to have some crooked dealers , we can't stop all crime former-republican Dec 2012 #103
The penalty for illegal sales of weapons randr Dec 2012 #113
I feel that way about a lot of crimes former-republican Dec 2012 #120
for instance? randr Dec 2012 #125
pedophilia , anything that involves adults hurting or molesting children former-republican Dec 2012 #127
Agreed--so do we hang illegal gun merchants? randr Dec 2012 #135
from the neck or the thumbs former-republican Dec 2012 #140
Except of course that they provide a loophole to the existing regulations. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #107
I think it's changing former-republican Dec 2012 #124
"background checks that include mental health screenings by professionals" and if a person flunks jody Dec 2012 #64
Licensing and registration for handguns. DanTex Dec 2012 #8
i dont have a problem with that and think it could be passed and pass scotus scrutiny rdking647 Dec 2012 #13
That should have been done long ago , but yes that would be a start former-republican Dec 2012 #16
Hey, we agree on something! DanTex Dec 2012 #18
stop former-republican Dec 2012 #21
What benefits do you believe will come from registering handguns in addition to CCW licensing jody Dec 2012 #70
Registering handguns makes it much harder to be a straw purchaser, for example. DanTex Dec 2012 #71
Registering firearms carries with it the threat government will use that list to confiscate them. nt jody Dec 2012 #81
So, you are even against registering firearms? morningfog Dec 2012 #84
Actually, the NRA is also opposed to registering firearms. DanTex Dec 2012 #110
That's been the theme but you and I know former-republican Dec 2012 #85
Umm, yeah, I'm not too worried about that. DanTex Dec 2012 #89
My point: to sell a new limitation on firearms you must convince citizens it will not threaten their jody Dec 2012 #96
There are very few people who buy the "registration leads to confiscation" talking point. DanTex Dec 2012 #108
My point is that to sell that law one must convince people. See DU thread below: jody Dec 2012 #112
But the "registration leads to confiscation" crowd is small and extreme enough that DanTex Dec 2012 #115
I've read many of the posts to DU threads about gun-control over the past few days. I haven't read jody Dec 2012 #126
Maybe not this particular shooting, but we can certainly reduce the overall level of gun violence. DanTex Dec 2012 #134
If no one has a proposal that could have prevented this tragedy, then I'm not optimistic that jody Dec 2012 #139
If the government somehow reaches the point that it decides to confiscate weapons ibegurpard Dec 2012 #102
My point is that to sell that law one must convince people. See DU thread below: jody Dec 2012 #109
What it would do is create a data base for BATF or the FBI to make their job easier former-republican Dec 2012 #117
Make bullet boxes that show the results of shooting the way that Australian cigarette packs show... JVS Dec 2012 #9
Greatly limit firepower and deny ownership in many more cases. Scuba Dec 2012 #15
the gunman in ct used a .223 rdking647 Dec 2012 #17
"Firepower" includes not just caliber but the ability to deliver multiple rounds... Scuba Dec 2012 #22
so where dop you draw tha line? rdking647 Dec 2012 #25
I would argue that limits on both are appropriate. Scuba Dec 2012 #42
How about also no private sale of any firearm former-republican Dec 2012 #20
not sure that would pass scotus scrutiny rdking647 Dec 2012 #24
It would have to be passed through state legislature like it did in my state former-republican Dec 2012 #46
Or give them access to NICS checks...and mandate them. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #55
The more I think about that the less I like it former-republican Dec 2012 #61
Not a good idea. Dealers are required to keep paperwork, have a lot to lose if they screw up, etc. Hoyt Dec 2012 #131
Probably, "reasonable" is a gun safety measure rather than gun control Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #23
I agree, except typically, adult members of a household would have access to the gun safe MH1 Dec 2012 #37
Throwing up your hands and saying "well the GOP/NRA will block it anyway" is defeatist Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #38
How about... Bonhomme Richard Dec 2012 #26
uniform gun laws wouldnt work rdking647 Dec 2012 #40
Limit the amount of bullets that can be fired before needing reload Bandit Dec 2012 #27
how would you get that passed??????? rdking647 Dec 2012 #39
With perseverance. Bonhomme Richard Dec 2012 #52
how would a ban like that actually work rdking647 Dec 2012 #66
Maybe start with the larger magazines grandfathered but.... Bonhomme Richard Dec 2012 #118
It's already been done is several states auburngrad82 Dec 2012 #104
A couple ideas: Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #30
Again people completely missing the bloody point Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #33
So are you. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #47
No, it's blatant disingenuousness Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #50
Sorry, but that's rubbish. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #54
Except that it is about "gun control measures to stop mass shootings" Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #60
Nope. That's what YOU insist on reading into every gun thread right now. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #65
yet the idea of preventing mass killings is important to those who are interested in gun control bettyellen Dec 2012 #116
"Spare us" the needless vulgar insults. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #121
if "bullshit" offends you, stop spewing it. it is you who insult DUers intelligence. bettyellen Dec 2012 #128
start by reinstituting the ban on assault weapons auburngrad82 Dec 2012 #105
6 bullets /sec is a fully auto weapon rdking647 Dec 2012 #143
Out of Curiosity... Marengo Dec 2012 #48
Excellent question! Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #87
yes, we should be afraid from doing the right thing samsingh Dec 2012 #31
Weapons of War Apache Crew Chief 65 Dec 2012 #32
make black and chrome firearms illegal... octothorpe Dec 2012 #34
Who the fuck appointed you.. 99Forever Dec 2012 #36
so your not interested in a discussion of whats actually possible???? rdking647 Dec 2012 #43
Exactly. 99Forever Dec 2012 #78
Stop the hate Berserker Dec 2012 #56
Stop the shooting of babies. 99Forever Dec 2012 #67
But someone clearly appointed you to decide what people can discuss and how it can be discussed.... octothorpe Dec 2012 #146
If a firearm is used in a crime, charge the defendant separately for use of a firearm, sentence jody Dec 2012 #41
That is sentencing reform, not gun reform. It will do nothing to ebb the flow of morningfog Dec 2012 #44
If you are correct, your argument means no new law can have any effect on crime. Govt. can only jody Dec 2012 #57
My argument is thougher sentencing has never been a deterrent. morningfog Dec 2012 #68
You say "thougher [sic] sentencing has never been a deterrent." How will jody Dec 2012 #72
Yep. It flew over your head. morningfog Dec 2012 #74
You wrote "Laws do work and help. Limitations on the types and numbers of guns legally available for jody Dec 2012 #76
Re-read it again, with the part you omitted. You are almost there. So close. morningfog Dec 2012 #77
OK your post reveals you can't answer my question. After you've thought about it please post your jody Dec 2012 #79
Well, at least you gave it the old college try! morningfog Dec 2012 #80
No, sometime professors simply give up when a student demonstrates inability to learn. nt jody Dec 2012 #83
As I have with you. You are absolutely hopeless. morningfog Dec 2012 #100
Spider Jerusalem is a gun lobbies dream ... boles13d Dec 2012 #45
"Stole" his mother's guns Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #49
He is not the only one ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #142
Well, since a few of these have involved extended clips nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #53
Governors is the key former-republican Dec 2012 #58
Jan brewer from AZ nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #59
that's her former-republican Dec 2012 #63
the vast majority of hanguns sold in this country are semi austomatics rdking647 Dec 2012 #62
I said it would not happen nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #73
thats why we need to concentrate on what actually could pass rdking647 Dec 2012 #75
Magazine size and expanding the background checks won't pass either nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #93
What is it about internet sales that bother you? aikoaiko Dec 2012 #122
Safe storage. frank380 Dec 2012 #69
We did have a ban on assault weapons at one time randr Dec 2012 #82
the problem with the aw ban was it doesnt work rdking647 Dec 2012 #90
I agree... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #95
The problem we are facing is enormous randr Dec 2012 #111
What laws do the civilized countries have? Adopt those. nt valerief Dec 2012 #86
like switzerland rdking647 Dec 2012 #94
The issue was laws, not gun ownership. Buh-bye. nt valerief Dec 2012 #98
I'd look into what some other countries do treestar Dec 2012 #88
..with an asterisk Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #92
The status quo is unreasonable Generic Brad Dec 2012 #97
Reframe the entire issue. Make guns/bullets a part of the war on terror & from there graham4anything Dec 2012 #101
Makes sense, give all authority to the president, seize all means of production, create two jody Dec 2012 #106
So what's a "reasonable" gun control plan? meanit Dec 2012 #119
Cradle to grave tracking and responsibility missingthebigdog Dec 2012 #123
+100000. Heck, the Australians bit the bullet in 1996 -- why not us. Switzerland is another good Hoyt Dec 2012 #132
More than legislation, we need to change the perception of guns in our society -- just like smoking. Hoyt Dec 2012 #129
I'm very anti-gun, BUT if we start banning things we don't like.. rainlillie Dec 2012 #133
How about this: All guns have to carry liability insurance just like cars. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #136
Question. What would rdking647 agree with? Curious. n/t Bonhomme Richard Dec 2012 #137
mandatory registration rdking647 Dec 2012 #144
Oh, BTW, I am not aware of a SINGLE DUER who has advocated for kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #138
Here's an example of exactly that from earlier today slackmaster Dec 2012 #145
The only one I have spotted is somebody who is clearly a gun nut just shitstirring. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #147
Gun safety should be taught in schools TheCowsCameHome Dec 2012 #148
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