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etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
78. There is a collective guilt
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 08:29 PM
Dec 2012

I share some of the burden as I had chosen to relatively silent until now.

The NRA and its supporters HAVE THE BLOOD OF INNOCENTS ON THEIR HANDS, those that defend them are complicit.

Those that don't speak out have become complicit, based on their silence.

"The contrast here is not only between the civility of the children and the cruelty of the shooter, but between what was asked of them at this moment and how little the public and elected officials ask of themselves when it comes to doing s...omething about gun violence. ... How do we find ourselves asking kindergarteners to be more courageous in the face of a gunman than politicians are in the face of the gun lobby?"

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/closeread/2012/12/the-newtown-shooting-kindergarteners-and-courage.html

Never let a good tragedy go to waste NT Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #1
which of the 10000+ tragedies this year are you complaining about Fresh_Start Dec 2012 #4
Fuck the NRA and fuck the anti-sanity brigade/gun nutz that are enablers of the tragedy today. Care Acutely Dec 2012 #5
THIS IS THE TIME TO SPEAK etherealtruth Dec 2012 #26
Why, No no I'm not Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #32
Most of your posts have been in the "gungeon" etherealtruth Dec 2012 #34
Most of my posts have been in the gungeon Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #35
It seems you are repeating NRA talking points verbatim etherealtruth Dec 2012 #41
You know , I would have a lot more respect for the pro gun control crowd Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #42
I accept your lack of respect as a compliment etherealtruth Dec 2012 #43
The official NRA response Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #44
You're delusional if you think you've ever won an argument. ThatPoetGuy Dec 2012 #109
the "car" argument is so lame. DCBob Dec 2012 #36
Not Only That..... Paladin Dec 2012 #39
I'm curious what gun laws do you think are too loose and to easy to get around? Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #40
so you admit your car argument is lame. DCBob Dec 2012 #46
Not in the slightest Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #48
then you didnt read and/or comprehend my previous post. DCBob Dec 2012 #50
The guns you own DID contribute laundry_queen Dec 2012 #104
What about those issues with theKed Dec 2012 #47
What do you propose? Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #49
I love a good straw man, don't you? theKed Dec 2012 #66
How about you repeal the 2nd amendment AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #76
My guns must be broken rl6214 Dec 2012 #89
Blood on your hands RetroLounge Dec 2012 #55
+1 nt laundry_queen Dec 2012 #105
Collective guilt arguments are absurd. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #51
When there is collective guilt these arguments are "accurate" etherealtruth Dec 2012 #67
An entirely unfulfilled conditional... Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #74
Society bears the burdens of its ills ... there is a collective guilt etherealtruth Dec 2012 #75
Accepting collective responsibility is a very different thing. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #77
There is a collective guilt etherealtruth Dec 2012 #78
Then we simply disagree. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #79
Killings by Guns – not a knee jerk rant! Ragrum Dec 2012 #68
This is worthy of its own OP etherealtruth Dec 2012 #71
I agree n/t deek Dec 2012 #83
me too. nt laundry_queen Dec 2012 #106
Which site did you get your anti gun talking points from? rl6214 Dec 2012 #87
Reality etherealtruth Dec 2012 #88
See, the thing about being anti-gun means we're PRO-people living. laundry_queen Dec 2012 #107
Never actually care about dead kids RetroLounge Dec 2012 #54
why did they remove it in the first place? Members of legislatures who have been making weapons still_one Dec 2012 #2
The original assault weapon ban ( which Bill Clinton blames for the loss of the 94 mid terms) Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #6
They have effectively had republican control since bush. How has that been working out for them? still_one Dec 2012 #8
President Obama should have done something when he had his majorities rl6214 Dec 2012 #90
blue dogs would not have gone with it I suspect still_one Dec 2012 #95
Times have changed. Desperate times. Bring back the ban, and then some. morningfog Dec 2012 #23
The murder rate is half what it was when the ban was passed Recursion Dec 2012 #59
I am talking about mass murders, and those have increased still_one Dec 2012 #91
Because it didn't address guns actually used in crimes Recursion Dec 2012 #53
It addresses weapons that taking a lot of people out. 100 thousand people per year are hurt by guns still_one Dec 2012 #92
But not by assault weapons Recursion Dec 2012 #96
no, but assault weapons are for one purpose only, to take out a lot of people still_one Dec 2012 #98
Sigh. Tell me what you mean when you say "assault weapon" Recursion Dec 2012 #99
It is a firearm designed for rapid firing at close range still_one Dec 2012 #102
Give me ballparks of "rapid" and "close" Recursion Dec 2012 #103
I've never understood the need for assault weapons. I've heard the logic that if THEY, the military RKP5637 Dec 2012 #3
How else are you going to assault the White Deer nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #24
Ohhhhh my, hadn't thought about them!!! RKP5637 Dec 2012 #27
I've never understood why people with no idea of what "assault weapon" means... Recursion Dec 2012 #56
A DU gun nut just tried to tell me there is no such thing as "assault weapons". kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #7
I keep seeing that kind of thing. As if it makes a bit of difference to a thinking person pnwmom Dec 2012 #14
And a dog is a wolf... ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #16
So, like the other guy, do you maintain that a gun is NOT a weapon? kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #17
That is not my take on that discussion ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #18
Is a rifle a weapon or not? THAT is the discussion. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #19
Again, your zeal exceeds your accuracy ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #20
No assault rifle can be an assault weapon. Period Recursion Dec 2012 #58
An assault rifle is fully automatic rl6214 Dec 2012 #94
Then ban everything that fires more than six bullets an hour. Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #70
At least you suggest an honest metric ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #81
Yep. Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #82
It was an arbitrary legal definition in 94 Recursion Dec 2012 #57
I don't like to use the term "assault rifle," either derby378 Dec 2012 #62
Needs more than that. Scootaloo Dec 2012 #9
K&R Fuck the NRA and their enablers. nt redqueen Dec 2012 #10
Why don't we all change our sig lines today?? frazzled Dec 2012 #11
There are NOT millions of assault weapons floating around. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #12
There are close to 4 million in the U.S., according to estimates. pnwmom Dec 2012 #13
Depending on your definition, there are much more than that ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #15
My lord, speaks the NRA. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #25
Aren't handguns the real issue? hack89 Dec 2012 #21
Recommend! morningfog Dec 2012 #22
While there's need for a discussion, next-day kneejerk legislation is the very worst kind. (nt) Posteritatis Dec 2012 #28
After the funerals. gkhouston Dec 2012 #29
CT has an AWB. It obviously did nothing. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #30
Connecticut is a tiny state. You can zip cross the border into a state pnwmom Dec 2012 #31
That Federal ban was pretty ineffective, too derby378 Dec 2012 #61
That's because of a major loophole involving private sales -- which can and should be closed. pnwmom Dec 2012 #64
No. It's because it banned a completely arbitrary and stupid set of features Recursion Dec 2012 #100
Time does not heal marions ghost Dec 2012 #33
There is no reason to have an assault weapon. kentuck Dec 2012 #37
Today's assault weapon defender is tomorrow's mass shooter. nt Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #38
Or parent of. nt laundry_queen Dec 2012 #108
Sounds a lot like the planning for the invasion of Iraq. Edweird Dec 2012 #45
Okay. What exactly are we banning? rrneck Dec 2012 #52
Whatever can be got under one. TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #63
Well y'see rrneck Dec 2012 #65
I agree. I'm not on the bandwagon just saying what is up. TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #110
You're even admitting it doesn't matter if the AWB would be relevant to preventing this crime... Recursion Dec 2012 #60
How about anything that fires more than six bullets an hour. Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #69
Patheitc and weak SajayHobbs Dec 2012 #72
2/3rds of both House and Senate plus 3/4ths of the states davidn3600 Dec 2012 #80
Good luck with that. nt Codeine Dec 2012 #84
pnwmom, the AWB didn't do what you think it did. aikoaiko Dec 2012 #73
That was my first AR type weapon purchased rl6214 Dec 2012 #97
Putting the horrific tradgedy aside and simply analyzing the content of this OP... OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #85
How many have EVER been used in a crime? rl6214 Dec 2012 #86
Handguns and shotguns have been used way, way more in crime, including homicide derby378 Dec 2012 #101
This is not just about guns..... there is SO much more ... lib2DaBone Dec 2012 #93
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