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alcibiades_mystery

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40. That would be ideal

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:15 PM

Dec 2012

Barring complete repeal, restrictions up the wazoo, making it damn near impossible to possessing the kind of firepower sufficient to the task. Firepower necessary to kill a deer from a hunting blind, by the way, is far different from the firepower necessary to mow down twenty kindergarteners in a five minute span of time. Once the ridiculous money-hungry gun lobby and their sucker flunkies are forced to get that through their skulls, we'll stop having little kids getting bullets through their skulls.

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Everybody talks gun control, but nobody talks about increasing funding for mental health services [View all] tawadi Dec 2012 OP

Or changing the culture of stigmatization against getting help for one's self or family when it Brickbat Dec 2012 #1

All of the above tawadi Dec 2012 #3

I got my head bitten off earlier for suggesting family notice the shooter needed help. we can do it Dec 2012 #9

His brother had mentioned several diagnoses (Aspergers, TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #25

Thanks for filling me in. Just wondering why she had the guns knowing about his problems. we can do it Dec 2012 #33

Aspergers isn't a personality disorder Robyn66 Dec 2012 #84

Thank you Robyn janlyn Dec 2012 #95

Yes you are extrodinary! Robyn66 Dec 2012 #110

Never even heard the word "Aspergers" in any of the news sources I read. Only "Personality Disorder" tawadi Dec 2012 #99

I have heard different news reports mixing the two Robyn66 Dec 2012 #108

I've heard it a couple of times, rather stupidly used synonymously with "personality disorder." (nt) Posteritatis Dec 2012 #116

No, I know that--I have a relative with Aspergers. I thought this TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #100

Its too bad how these things can get mixed up Robyn66 Dec 2012 #109

The gun control only crew are way too upset to discuss this calmly. marble falls Dec 2012 #86

All very good. AverageJoe90 Dec 2012 #11

+1,000,000 Auggie Dec 2012 #47

+1,000,000 shireen Dec 2012 #82

In this case, this kid didn't need funding for mental health services-- TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #2

Somewhere along the line, he didn't get the help he needed tawadi Dec 2012 #7

He got help. But in a mental health crisis, it's pretty important TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #35

I really cannot comprehend this tawadi Dec 2012 #44

I realize I have no idea what the mother was SheilaT Dec 2012 #91

You bring up a good point--surely they watched the tragedies TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #106

you think its so easy to get help for a young adult? you cannot force the police to take them bettyellen Dec 2012 #51

I didn't say that. I said it's crucial not to allow them to have TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #105

and your totally right about that. Just saying access doesn't mean he would willingly accept bettyellen Dec 2012 #107

I understand--I am going through similar issues in my TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #111

If you aren't using Nami as a resource, it's worth a looksee. bettyellen Dec 2012 #112

Thanks--I just looked at their website this week and found it TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #113

wonderful. i wish you all the strength and luck you'll need for this task. bettyellen Dec 2012 #118

Yes, and making the point above about treestar Dec 2012 #83

I think nobody wants their kid to have a "mark" against them TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #101

That's another thing, we need to quit seeing such things treestar Dec 2012 #120

Yep. Denial of mental health issues, or fearing them as a black mark, are both Bad Things. (nt) Posteritatis Dec 2012 #117

I'm quite sure that most people understand we need both alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #4

Answer me this tawadi Dec 2012 #12

A law preventing her from owning multiple ridiculous guns of that kind certainly could have alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #26

Don't you think it's late for that, in our country? tawadi Dec 2012 #28

No alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #30

The right to bear arms & all that tawadi Dec 2012 #37

That would be ideal alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #40

I hope you're right. I hope gun laws can and would save lives. tawadi Dec 2012 #43

All problems run deeper alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #45

+1000, alcibiades_mystery! tex-wyo-dem Dec 2012 #79

I think you are looking too technically at the role of law primavera Dec 2012 #89

+1 and +1 ... eom Kolesar Dec 2012 #13

Inpatient services are currently bare bones status. FarPoint Dec 2012 #5

Even some of wealthy can't keep a troubled teen in an institution when its needed. tawadi Dec 2012 #8

Exactly! AverageJoe90 Dec 2012 #6

You may be a big fan of GTA, but you can hardly argue against the idea whathehell Dec 2012 #60

The weaponeers seem to be running with this "mental health and antidepressants" meme lately Kolesar Dec 2012 #10

Weaponeers? tawadi Dec 2012 #15

We had a two year debate on mental-health care coverage that ended with Obamacare Kolesar Dec 2012 #23

I don't know what the answer is tawadi Dec 2012 #31

My husband had to beg a psychiatrist on the phone to get an appointment liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #92

that isn't what I said...eom Kolesar Dec 2012 #97

The RWers have been blaming violent video games, too. AverageJoe90 Dec 2012 #16

seriously what are the odds??? dembotoz Dec 2012 #14

Or stop playing GTA or CounterStrike. n/t AverageJoe90 Dec 2012 #17

So sad. But true. tawadi Dec 2012 #18

You have to want help.....to get help. cbdo2007 Dec 2012 #19

I thought there were laws about "if a person is a danger to himself or others"? tawadi Dec 2012 #21

only at the time of danger, the episode passes and you're back to square one bettyellen Dec 2012 #55

Don't know that. Thanks. eom tawadi Dec 2012 #70

you have to get the consent of the mentally ill which is difficult to do when its full blown bettyellen Dec 2012 #103

i think in my state (ny) you have to have 2 family members and a doctor ejpoeta Dec 2012 #58

Sad tawadi Dec 2012 #68

Yeah.....go to Walmart today and make a list of all the people who are a danger to themselves cbdo2007 Dec 2012 #85

That's when caring family members and friends step up. HappyMe Dec 2012 #42

We "stepped up" and for our efforts got a stack of restraining orders Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2012 #53

Then that situation and it's HappyMe Dec 2012 #57

Good, so now it's the family member's fault they didn't get help for their sick cbdo2007 Dec 2012 #90

You also have to be able to get help to get help. Posteritatis Dec 2012 #114

I agree. How about for starters we take the subsidies Lifelong Protester Dec 2012 #20

As a school administrator, let me ask you a question tawadi Dec 2012 #24

at school, you can only do so much Lifelong Protester Dec 2012 #50

This is one of many problems. The "it takes a village" concept can't happen tawadi Dec 2012 #67

Right, we get it drummed into our heads as educators Lifelong Protester Dec 2012 #73

Agree, but this family had access to the best riverwalker Dec 2012 #22

Like I said above, even the wealthy can't afford to institutionalize some children. eom tawadi Dec 2012 #27

It isn't a question of affording it, Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2012 #49

I don't think the problem is strictly the ability to afford personal care FedUpWithIt All Dec 2012 #52

What access they had and how it might be funded is irrelevant Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2012 #59

+1 nt Live and Learn Dec 2012 #93

Agreed. HappyMe Dec 2012 #29

More may come out about the shooter's childhood tawadi Dec 2012 #32

Another very strong argument for nationalizing healthcare. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #34

It will probably never happen in this country tawadi Dec 2012 #36

I expect the nation to fragment long before something like nationalized healthcare happens. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #39

a problem with mental illness is that there is no physical manifestation dembotoz Dec 2012 #38

Don't you think people saw the warning signs? tawadi Dec 2012 #41

Maybe they saw HappyMe Dec 2012 #46

Until you can lock someone up and force treatment it is a moot point Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2012 #48

And he's clearly synonymous with the entire spread of mental illnesses, right? Oy. (nt) Posteritatis Dec 2012 #115

He was synonymous with those who are completely unhinged and violent Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2012 #119

So tax the gunpowder and use the revenue for emntal health services RomneyLies Dec 2012 #54

Yeah? So? Zoeisright Dec 2012 #56

We could stop locking up perfectly peaceful marijuana and other drug users and use those funds FarCenter Dec 2012 #61

Sometimes I can't tell if this DU or Free Republic rbrnmw Dec 2012 #62

It isn't a deflection, it is a separate issue Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2012 #63

Sometimes issues are tied together. HappyMe Dec 2012 #66

Mental Hospital dave502d2 Dec 2012 #64

Welcome to DU! hrmjustin Dec 2012 #65

I am. n/t Fearless Dec 2012 #69

$$$$- how much does the NRA raise vs. MH advocates? underpants Dec 2012 #71

I share your face palm, both issues arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #72

has anything come out about the type of medications he was on? Celebration Dec 2012 #74

LMSP kicking...n/t littlemissmartypants Dec 2012 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author caraher Dec 2012 #76

Canard, misdirection, dishonest red herring and simply not true. geckosfeet Dec 2012 #77

As the story unfolds I suspect we will hear about this being a case of a young man who,... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2012 #78

I agree that may be the bigger problem here treestar Dec 2012 #80

THANK YOU shireen Dec 2012 #81

Nobody talks about increasing funding for mental health services AndyA Dec 2012 #87

+1 nt Live and Learn Dec 2012 #94

well said mettamega Dec 2012 #88

On the contrary: coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #96

Obviously, there is no silver bullet in this matter. xxxsdesdexxx Dec 2012 #98

I agree AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #102

Well, John2 Dec 2012 #104