You can blame gun owners or blame the mentally ill... [View all]

The thing is you can realistically stop neither.

Do background checks really prevent these things? I'm not sure.

Like taxes this is the price we pay for living in a free society.

So no we don't lock up people with mental illnesses unless they are an imminent danger to themselves or others. Nor do we prevent the "law abiding citizen" from getting a gun.

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You can blame gun owners or blame the mentally ill... [View all]	dkf	Dec 2012	OP
Why am I not fucking surprised by this post at all?	Warren Stupidity	Dec 2012	#1
Indeed. This person takes the RW side of arguments	kestrel91316	Dec 2012	#56
In all fairness I think I saw her/him support single-payer at one point.	white_wolf	Dec 2012	#75
That was probably deliberate prevarication.	kestrel91316	Dec 2012	#96
For the reason I am	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2012	#58
because they are coming out of the fucking woodwork	Skittles	Dec 2012	#79
Another right-wing talking point = another dkf post.	RetroLounge	Dec 2012	#107
Well, it's just part of living, eh? No sense in trying to change it.	morningfog	Dec 2012	#2
CT has strict gun laws. What more do you want?	dkf	Dec 2012	#7
They aren't that strict here	sharp_stick	Dec 2012	#10
Ahh, so by strict, you mean prohibit?	cleanhippie	Dec 2012	#20
That is a very long term goal.	morningfog	Dec 2012	#32
Do you realize that when you denigrate legal gun owners as "gun nuts"...	cleanhippie	Dec 2012	#36
No, you are trying to confuse the point by suggesting	morningfog	Dec 2012	#53
Then only the Wealthy and Blackwater Security will have guns	FreakinDJ	Dec 2012	#84
The FF were then, this is now.	CTyankee	Dec 2012	#101
An interesting point.	rrneck	Dec 2012	#111
Largely regulated guns and planes and bombs and tanks.	CTyankee	Dec 2012	#112
Guns have tremendous symbolic value in this country.	rrneck	Dec 2012	#114
We didn't steal art "over there." Other empires did. Certainly Napoleon and of course	CTyankee	Dec 2012	#115
You missed the point.	rrneck	Dec 2012	#116
Not entirely true in history. In the early days of the Italian Renaissance the guilds	CTyankee	Dec 2012	#118
This is not the Renaissance.	rrneck	Dec 2012	#119
hey, I'm not the one who is constantly talking about gun culture here. You have me	CTyankee	Dec 2012	#120
We all have more in common than we think.	rrneck	Dec 2012	#121
I did care. So I looked at your examples.	CTyankee	Dec 2012	#122
Hell, I'd settle for	sharp_stick	Dec 2012	#123
I heard that guns were purchased in another state.	Lint Head	Dec 2012	#11
Stricter motha fucka laws!!!!!	morningfog	Dec 2012	#14
They aren't strict enough by half. How about this:	kestrel91316	Dec 2012	#59
You support the death penalty? How progressive of you... nt	rDigital	Dec 2012	#61
For negligent gun nuts whose guns are used to	kestrel91316	Dec 2012	#66
The death penalty is never progressive. nt	rDigital	Dec 2012	#72
Label it as you wish. I, a dedicated liberal, support its very limited use.	kestrel91316	Dec 2012	#97
Then you're neither. nt	rDigital	Dec 2012	#98
First of all, the DP is nothing more than state sanctioned murder.	white_wolf	Dec 2012	#77
It proves the need for something stronger as the rules still got those weapons into the hands of the	JCMach1	Dec 2012	#76
Ha ha ha.	bettyellen	Dec 2012	#3
Yeah, you can nt	Progressive dog	Dec 2012	#4
GFYS	RandiFan1290	Dec 2012	#5
When you can't think of a smart response to a logical argument...	Freddie Stubbs	Dec 2012	#43
This post was hidden by jury decision.	RandiFan1290	Dec 2012	#86
Using insults and foul language is the type of behavior one would expect from Tea Party types	Freddie Stubbs	Dec 2012	#88
Speaking of things that should be locked up	WilliamPitt	Dec 2012	#6
Just being real.	dkf	Dec 2012	#9
You should be real more often. I would like to see more transparency from you.	morningfog	Dec 2012	#16
Aw, c'mon, we all know THAT'S never gonna happen.	kestrel91316	Dec 2012	#60
How about we start with the people who enabled our invasion of Iraq	Cetacea	Dec 2012	#15
Aren't they the same?	El Supremo	Dec 2012	#8
I don't want guns around me either but I also know I'm not getting others to give theirs up	dkf	Dec 2012	#12
No more mentally deficient than	cleanhippie	Dec 2012	#24
Thank you very much!	El Supremo	Dec 2012	#39
Well played! The "I know you are but what am I" defense.	cleanhippie	Dec 2012	#90
Remember when the majority of adults smoked? I do.	MotherPetrie	Dec 2012	#13
Interesting point. (nt)	enough	Dec 2012	#22
Well yeah, and smoking was a Constituional Right too!!!	cleanhippie	Dec 2012	#30
so are you a member of a well-regulated militia? Or just an average gun worshipper	MotherPetrie	Dec 2012	#40
Hahahahahaha! WHERE do you come up with this stuff?	cleanhippie	Dec 2012	#89
Ownership equals worship in your view?	Marengo	Dec 2012	#93
Well go ahead and convince people to give up their guns.	dkf	Dec 2012	#37
Where did I mention outlawing guns?	MotherPetrie	Dec 2012	#42
I'm fine with a campaign that asks people with guns to give them up.	dkf	Dec 2012	#47
Where's that damned unrec?	backscatter712	Dec 2012	#17
What if we get to the bottom that: BOTH ARE PROBLEMS! n/t	KoKo	Dec 2012	#18
Bullshit!	Glitterati	Dec 2012	#19
Thank you. n/t	Cetacea	Dec 2012	#23
Yeah, sure. That gun did all that by itself.	cleanhippie	Dec 2012	#31
You got that right. It was the gun, that just happened to be held by a lunatic. nt	madinmaryland	Dec 2012	#44
That weapon allowed that lunatic to kill 26 people.	neverforget	Dec 2012	#50
Here's a photo of the shooter.	AnotherMcIntosh	Dec 2012	#82
You're gonna see a lot of people around here claiming 'the mentally ill' did, though.	Posteritatis	Dec 2012	#38
I am sick of this all being blamed on mental illness.	smirkymonkey	Dec 2012	#83
So you make no distinction...	TXDemoGal	Dec 2012	#21
So everyone here thinks its okay to have guns that kill a few people	dkf	Dec 2012	#41
You are not believable..	Rex	Dec 2012	#105
It's a little too soon to be making jokes.	renie408	Dec 2012	#25
the fact is:	Algebra Palin	Dec 2012	#26
Best. Username. Ever.	smokey nj	Dec 2012	#34
The fact is:	cleanhippie	Dec 2012	#35
As evidenced by our steadily falling murder rates ... oh wait. nt	hack89	Dec 2012	#102
Research shows that strict gun contol laws save lives.	Agnosticsherbet	Dec 2012	#27
Since we can't control guns, then I say we confiscate them and melt them and make ownership . . . .	Stinky The Clown	Dec 2012	#28
Good luck with that. nt	rDigital	Dec 2012	#63
But getting rid of the NRA is doable. Promoting tools for killing should be controlled.	Lint Head	Dec 2012	#29
you call being held hostage by the gun lobby a "free" society?	marions ghost	Dec 2012	#33
You're wrong.	bluestate10	Dec 2012	#45
How would any of those change what happened today?	ProgressiveProfessor	Dec 2012	#48
If gun owners knew that failure to lock their guns away	kestrel91316	Dec 2012	#65
I agree with the requirements to lock things up	ProgressiveProfessor	Dec 2012	#67
I liken it to giving the DP to accessories to murder.	kestrel91316	Dec 2012	#100
Which is not done in any state that I know of, even Texas	ProgressiveProfessor	Dec 2012	#103
I believe there is also a harsh penalty for committing cold blooded murder	Budgies Revenge	Dec 2012	#78
Nope, but keeping guns out of their hands could save lives.	kestrel91316	Dec 2012	#99
What law would have taken the gun from the mother?	dkf	Dec 2012	#49
No.	rDigital	Dec 2012	#64
We need to take health care far more seriously than we do.	Gregorian	Dec 2012	#46
I agree that is the one thing we keep re-learning.	dkf	Dec 2012	#51
Do you then want all medical records considered public record?	forthemiddle	Dec 2012	#85
Did you know that Germany recently passed laws making it a crime to spank children?	Gregorian	Dec 2012	#92
Your post is the problem. A post that shows that owning guns is more important than the life of	Mass	Dec 2012	#52
Exactly	RetroLounge	Dec 2012	#108
how about blaming income inequality?	NoMoreWarNow	Dec 2012	#54
Funny, other free societies don't seem to have this same problem.	kestrel91316	Dec 2012	#55
Tell me, why is there a DIRECT CORRELATION	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2012	#57
Wait - did you SERIOUSLY just compare the MURDER of nearly 30	kestrel91316	Dec 2012	#62
Yeah, its all the fault of people who take antidepressants	BainsBane	Dec 2012	#68
Paying taxes = mass murder	The Midway Rebel	Dec 2012	#69
Yeah, what's a little human sacrifice, of CHILDREN,	DevonRex	Dec 2012	#70
You can blame guns, but I would never actually expect	Rex	Dec 2012	#71
mass murder is not the price of living in a free society	Fresh_Start	Dec 2012	#73
We have paid too high of a price for your so-called "free society"	Bjorn Against	Dec 2012	#74
I think we should require gun owners who are neither in the military, the police or the national	JDPriestly	Dec 2012	#80
So, in your opinion	Budgies Revenge	Dec 2012	#81
The "just bury the kids and move on" argument is lame	quaker bill	Dec 2012	#87
Or you can make asinine statements like	Skidmore	Dec 2012	#91
we can't stop people from being mentally ill, but we sure as hell can stop guns	La Lioness Priyanka	Dec 2012	#94
+1. Gun crisis must be tackled first	Harmony Blue	Dec 2012	#95
Start with violence and the gun problem will mostly go away	ProgressiveProfessor	Dec 2012	#104
such a fucking optimistic view of the world......and such utter fucking bullshit	spanone	Dec 2012	#106
MASS MURDER "is the price we pay for living in a free society."	RetroLounge	Dec 2012	#109
Other countries live in a free society	Terra Alta	Dec 2012	#110
Why is the cost so much lower in other "free" societies?	Democracyinkind	Dec 2012	#113
Yeah, let's just throw up our hands and give up	Floyd_Gondolli	Dec 2012	#117