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sabrina 1

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39. Thanks. I think that war flew under the radar of many Democrats, another sign that if it's our team
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:48 PM
Dec 2012

doing it we trust them. At that time I assumed that we were protecting people who were being ethnically cleansed and admit that because Clinton was president did not question it at all.

I also did not know it was part of the insane PNAC plan and had never heard of them at that time.

Since then many of us have learned a lot about our government functions, especially when it comes to Foreign Policy and are less inclined to give a pass to our own 'team'.

This country needs a sea change in our Foreign Policy but that is not likely unless the people demand it in huge numbers and begin by not falling for the fear tactics. We are a long from that, but a little further along than we were when Clinton was president. Democrats especially are no longer to ignore warmongering on the Left any more than they will on the Right. So it's a start.

Why Hagel over someone like General Wes Clark [View all] Horse with no Name Dec 2012 OP
because Obama is closer to Hagel than Clark , Clark would be in consideration when Hillary is JI7 Dec 2012 #1
Hillary would not consider Clark. She is miles apart from him on Foreign Policy. She supported the sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #5
Clark supported Hillary for President in the Primary , they are very close JI7 Dec 2012 #6
I doubt it. A lot of people have been loyal to the Clintons and have not always had the favor sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #11
when Hillary becomes President watch Clark end up in the administration JI7 Dec 2012 #19
Clark is close to the Clintons. nt bluestate10 Dec 2012 #17
Clark led the first PNAC war green for victory Dec 2012 #24
Thanks. I think that war flew under the radar of many Democrats, another sign that if it's our team sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #39
I do care about the continuation of President Obama, and winning in 2016 graham4anything Dec 2012 #28
if. the republicans want hagel, you can bet they'll get him spanone Dec 2012 #2
Why? RobertEarl Dec 2012 #3
Why not? ForgoTheConsequence Dec 2012 #4
Did he support Bush's wars? I don't remember him speaking out against them. We elected Democrats sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #7
Here you go grantcart Dec 2012 #13
Thank you. I do remember him as one of the few Republicans who spoke out against the Bush sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #41
Initially he did, like a lot of Democrats. ForgoTheConsequence Dec 2012 #15
So basically he supported the illegal invasion, but didn't support the strategy after he saw how it sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #20
Yes he got one of the biggest decisions Politicians had to make at that time, wrong as did all those sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #21
I blame a lot of it on the general misconception that a lot of Americans have about war Victor_c3 Dec 2012 #26
I am very glad you did not thrash this excellent post. sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #40
Even on this forum anti-war talk seems to get lost in the general discussion Victor_c3 Dec 2012 #27
Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts Fumesucker Dec 2012 #30
I never knew too much of this guy Victor_c3 Dec 2012 #25
please do NOT use we. and I am not part of the WE here. Hillary45 to continue Obama's policies graham4anything Dec 2012 #29
Don't include me on any team that thinks we need to go around the world killing people. We need a sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #35
Eliz. Warren herself said nothing off the table in Iran, so not quite sure what you are getting at graham4anything Dec 2012 #38
Did Iraqis kill those people on 9/11 or Afghans, most of whom had never heard of 9/11 according to sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #42
Afghanastan was unanymous. Only CTers don't believe 9-11 happened. But graham4anything Dec 2012 #44
Mrs. Hagel also supported President Obama's re-election. BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #8
I love your sig-pic. That looks like my cream Chow when she was pup! BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #9
Did I miss Hagel calling for Bush's impeachment? MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #12
He did say this about Bush. ForgoTheConsequence Dec 2012 #18
The next Secretary of Defense has only one function grantcart Dec 2012 #10
An interesting take that I had not considered....Makes me feel a bit better about the possibility of Rowdyboy Dec 2012 #14
Agreed. n/t Horse with no Name Dec 2012 #16
Interesting take on things quakerboy Dec 2012 #22
Potential Obama nominee favors massive defense reductions grantcart Dec 2012 #34
I say Clark for any position he is willing to except. nt Grey Dec 2012 #23
This is a wise move on Obama's part! vi5 Dec 2012 #31
Huh? it has NOTHING to do with Patriotism Iggy Dec 2012 #32
What's the deal with this repetitive pushing of Clark? Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #33
Umm...his entire mililtary career perhaps? truebrit71 Dec 2012 #36
Hmmm. Not much of a record to recommend him for a cabinet post. Colin Powell is retired. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #43
There is nothing wrong with Hagel in this position. mmonk Dec 2012 #37
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