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JoePhilly

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108. Actually, if you pay attention ...

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:01 PM

Dec 2012

The Dems are all saying the same basic thing.

"We'll look for savings or other ways to reform and improve Medicare, but not at the expense of benefits."

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Alarms Go Off as Obama Plays Footsie with Raising Medicare Age [View all] xchrom Dec 2012 OP

Everything I have heard, including Congressional Democrats they will NOT raise the age of Medicare. still_one Dec 2012 #1

Democrats/Liberals/Progressives claim ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #41

Ezra Klein started the panic last week... DonViejo Dec 2012 #59

Uh, seems the choice is... pipoman Dec 2012 #2

Actually "tort reform" Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #80

Closing the courthouse door... shrdlu Dec 2012 #110

I've met people who are 60-65 and either don't have a job or have a job amandabeech Dec 2012 #154

Right on schedule Doctor_J Dec 2012 #3

This same prediction was made over and over throughout Obama's first term. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #4

You mean the one about extending the Bush tax cuts? Doctor_J Dec 2012 #5

And when the age doesn't go up .... what will you be saying? JoePhilly Dec 2012 #15

I am sure there will be a long list of excuses when SS & Medicare get cut, too Doctor_J Dec 2012 #20

He's letting the GOP flail. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #24

Ah, that one again Doctor_J Dec 2012 #49

He's already said that while he's willling to look for savings and efficiencies in JoePhilly Dec 2012 #105

Exactly ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #129

"...why didn't he take cuts off the table in the interview?" KansDem Dec 2012 #27

Actually, if you pay attention ... JoePhilly Dec 2012 #108

When the age doesn't go up they will do what they've done for the last 4 years...silence uponit7771 Dec 2012 #29

No, we will credit the huge coalition formed before the election of Unions and Progressive sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #103

CORRECT Skittles Dec 2012 #140

Actually ... I think many of them will claim credit ... after all ... JoePhilly Dec 2012 #106

Ranting on DU has no merit unless they are part of the huge coalition of Progressive Orgs and sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #160

if they fail to cut Medicare now Enrique Dec 2012 #32

Think about this ... imagine if Obama lost the 2012 election. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #100

Shhh ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #44

They'll find something else to say he's going to do. MineralMan Dec 2012 #96

That's my bet as well. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #98

+1000 It is the wrong direction, period BlueStreak Dec 2012 #26

Ah...the half truth postings are back...., these get ignored by non fudr crowed uponit7771 Dec 2012 #28

And right on schedule, the same bullshit FUD is being spread again NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #12

All Obama has to do is say "We will not raise the eligibility age. That is not negotiable." BlueStreak Dec 2012 #36

We have had this discussion before ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #48

It is impossible to overemphasize the wrongness of what you just said. woo me with science Dec 2012 #74

How is what you wrote ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #86

I HEAR YOU WOO ME Skittles Dec 2012 #104

Yeah, but you are doing the woo woo thing, as in non-rational, biased & baseless speculation. patrice Dec 2012 #128

actually, that sounds more like you Skittles Dec 2012 #134

Anyone who respects rationalism admits the possibility of error, UNLIKE the anti-Obama woo woo going patrice Dec 2012 #145

You never do. :) woo me with science Dec 2012 #163

The only ones reinforcing are YOU. And the reason you are reinforcing it is because patrice Dec 2012 #120

You're the ones taking an extremely limited & VERY selective set of information & PROPAGANDIZING patrice Dec 2012 #121

It's impossible to overemphasize the wrongness of your methodology = REALLY suspicious patrice Dec 2012 #122

why are you replying three times to the same post? Skittles Dec 2012 #137

Who made you the police of this board? Are you a fascist? Do all of us have to do things your way? patrice Dec 2012 #138

take your meds, darling Skittles Dec 2012 #142

Ridicule, the first resort of the impotent. & I'm not even sure that it can be said that I drink, patrice Dec 2012 #146

Are you capable of guessing why? nt patrice Dec 2012 #139

I do not have to GUESS why Skittles Dec 2012 #141

So, "enlighten" us if you will please&thanks. nt patrice Dec 2012 #147

I don't know how to make it clearer that every time this claim has been NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #60

Because people rose up in anger at the attempts to sell us out BlueStreak Dec 2012 #63

See, Obama can do no good. NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #69

His natural position is center-right -- not far from Bush BlueStreak Dec 2012 #72

Completely ir-respective of context or process, why is that? nt patrice Dec 2012 #152

Exactly correct: the Common Dreams Pseudo-Progressives have as high an opinion of themselves alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #82

They're all buzzzzzzzed on themselves & what they MISTAKE for power = FASCISM. & that's patrice Dec 2012 #123

+1,000,000,001 ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #89

And if it weren't this issue, it'd be another, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT ABOUT SOLIDARITY. nt patrice Dec 2012 #125

Please NEVER negotiate anything. You'd be a disaster. nt patrice Dec 2012 #115

Exactly! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #45

FUDrs are coming back in force, don't know why...Obama can't be re-eleccted uponit7771 Dec 2012 #58

They're beside themselves with rage that they didn't get their "I Told You So" moment alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #84

That's precisely what's going on & they'll NEVER admit that they don't KNOW enough to arrive at patrice Dec 2012 #118

Right on Schedule. The "we can't trust Obama" naysayers show up. yellowcanine Dec 2012 #14

He's not caving. This is the "Debt Ceiling/Grand Bargain" sequel. Marr Dec 2012 #81

Lower - that's L-O-W-E-R, the age of Medicare eligibility. byeya Dec 2012 #6

He doesn't have the stomach for taking on Big Insurance and Big Pharma Doctor_J Dec 2012 #8

"Who does he think is going to vote for him if .... " JoePhilly Dec 2012 #25

He is running, right now BlueStreak Dec 2012 #37

Bingo! jsr Dec 2012 #70

So then, why has he not screwed us now? JoePhilly Dec 2012 #101

Have you not been paying attention? BlueStreak Dec 2012 #111

Hummm ... JoePhilly Dec 2012 #116

The point is he is center-right BlueStreak Dec 2012 #135

I gave you one instance because you said there were ZERO. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #153

Vote for Dems in 2014, genius Doctor_J Dec 2012 #52

vote for him for what, genius? dionysus Dec 2012 #34

Uh, the results of the mid-terms will be a referendum on him, idiot Doctor_J Dec 2012 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author dionysus Dec 2012 #65

Dems got trounced in 2010 because the Dems in Congress punted on passing JoePhilly Dec 2012 #102

Dems got trounced in 2010 because only 30% of the population voted. WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #112

Really? I thought it was about 40% ... my sources below ... JoePhilly Dec 2012 #124

Apologies. I typed in haste. WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #157

I definitely agree on the lunatic point ... JoePhilly Dec 2012 #158

Maybe he's just talking. If he were serious, it could kill the Democratic Party. Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #7

Obama had better not fuck with Medicare and Social Security. jsr Dec 2012 #17

Is it even remotely possible for DU posters not to panic with every single Presidential utterance? OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #9

"Panic" as you call it, serves a useful purpose Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #10

Come on. Do you really think he doesn't know how the vast majority of the Democratic Party and.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #18

He knows two states just passed laws Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #149

Congress needs to pass legislation legalizing pot, and submit that bill to the President.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #151

+ 1,000,000,000 What You Said !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2012 #22

Exactly right. And there is the possibility he is intentionally playing "good cop, bad cop" BlueStreak Dec 2012 #66

Apparently not. NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #13

Is it possible for the president to firmly stake out a Dem position? Doctor_J Dec 2012 #16

Thanks for proving that parsing is a real art form. nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #19

****NO****, these post will get louder uponit7771 Dec 2012 #31

& every last one of them is a fuck-you to Solidarity -AND- that could very well be the REAL motive. patrice Dec 2012 #150

I hope you don't mean Obama is playing footsie with Boehner. yellowcanine Dec 2012 #11

I guessed three possible sources for this story before I clicked this... snooper2 Dec 2012 #21

It's fucking sad that Democrats have to BEG a Democratic president to protect Social Security jsr Dec 2012 #23

Mr. President is not going to be down with that. People wadding their panties for not. lonestarnot Dec 2012 #30

You can use an effeminizing pejorative to describe legitimate concern but two things: Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #35

Plus, Obama has a history of preemptive surrender. jsr Dec 2012 #39

Your allegations have no merit. lonestarnot Dec 2012 #40

What allegations? Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #43

These allegations. lonestarnot Dec 2012 #46

No substance, you're just talkin' panties. Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #47

Do you smoke cigars? lonestarnot Dec 2012 #50

You're on a roll for not making sense. Howsabout a substantive response? nt Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #51

Mr. President is not so stupid as to piss off folks, contribute further to debt, and agree with lonestarnot Dec 2012 #56

Thank you. So here's the problem with your position: Both President Obama's senior advisor and... Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #61

I have more confidence in the man than you apparently. Language was a float. lonestarnot Dec 2012 #62

If you have confidence in the man, why aren't you taking him at his word? Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #67

"we need to strengthen Social Security". Bullshit. MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #33

Up is down. Same typical Orwellian bullshit jsr Dec 2012 #38

"Strengthen" is 3rd-way/Heritage/Repuke speak for cut benefits Doctor_J Dec 2012 #77

Yep duffyduff Dec 2012 #87

this quote says nothing of the kind bigtree Dec 2012 #42

Really? Doctor_J Dec 2012 #55

not the type of beneficiary cuts that these breathless articles worry about bigtree Dec 2012 #68

ah, so you're OK with cuts, as long as they're not huge. Doctor_J Dec 2012 #76

you are playing some kind of con here. It's sad. bigtree Dec 2012 #83

Question for the "OH NO!" crowd ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #53

It will depend on whether he gives in to the "serious" people or the people who elected him. mmonk Dec 2012 #57

I'm hoping he doesn't go through with something like that former-republican Dec 2012 #64

The Obamacare architect is officially working for the pharmaceutical industry jsr Dec 2012 #71

But from what I understand that is one of the largest costs to the Medicare program former-republican Dec 2012 #73

The negotiation ban goes against the free market, free enterprise and all that jazz jsr Dec 2012 #91

Simple, really Doctor_J Dec 2012 #75

President Obama's statement is a masterpiece of evasive doubletalk. forestpath Dec 2012 #78

Quick-- someone tell Campaign Obama to give this guy a call. Marr Dec 2012 #79

First of all, ProSense Dec 2012 #85

'Obama reportedly answered: ' MineralMan Dec 2012 #88

Shhh ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #90

I'm no fun, anyhow. MineralMan Dec 2012 #92

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #93

You need to ask Santa for a Super Secret Obama Outrage Decoder ring. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #109

"hell to pay" - ? In what way? nt Skip Intro Dec 2012 #94

Some DUers will write strong words in a post. That's how. MineralMan Dec 2012 #95

Really? Most DUers I know are currently members of several Progressive Organizations and are sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #144

The gorilla in the room is the pentagon and the MIC. L0oniX Dec 2012 #97

THAT's what he's working on, but there's some people around here too short/narrow sighted, patrice Dec 2012 #114

The GOP didn't mind jacking up the debt and now they want to rip off the elderly and needy. L0oniX Dec 2012 #161

Cut the military budget in two rock Dec 2012 #99

It's like the election never happened MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #107

"When you look at the evidence, it’s not clear that it actually saves a lot of money." patrice Dec 2012 #113

Durbin: Obama not open to raising age for Medicare Orangepeel Dec 2012 #117

With Pelosi also saying the same thing former-republican Dec 2012 #126

Nope WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #119

I want the anti-Obama bigots in this thread to explain the last paragraph of OP to us, please&thanks patrice Dec 2012 #127

"not clear that it - INCREASING MEDICARE AGE - saves a lot of money" Republicans want A LOT of patrice Dec 2012 #130

I'll wait to see what actually happens, since neither the cheerleaders not the naysayers actually djean111 Dec 2012 #143

That's what I'm doing, plus a few other tasks of responsible citizenship. nt patrice Dec 2012 #148

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Exactly. They are our very own "teabaggers". I'm hoping the economy improves to the point where... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #159

TL/DR - long winded line of "there are some who say" and "he hasn't said he wouldn't" BS tjwash Dec 2012 #132

"let's look at every avenue" EVERY as in ALL, not just Medicare, ALL includes things like Pentagon & patrice Dec 2012 #133

Not only would raising the Medicare age be deadly, the deadly idea of it indepat Dec 2012 #155

it is now off the table Enrique Dec 2012 #156

seems like an appropriate time to kick this thread snooper2 Dec 2012 #162