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The latest murderer [View all] malaise Dec 2012 OP
Was he high? Remmah2 Dec 2012 #1
On gunpowder proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #2
You forgot the sarcasm thingie progressoid Dec 2012 #50
A couple of points me b zola Dec 2012 #61
Indeed. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #63
Why didn't you ask: Was he drunk? Was he on meds? Bias much? nt patrice Dec 2012 #100
If he had been high BainsBane Dec 2012 #117
Well... Ohio Joe Dec 2012 #191
Yes: He was high on his God-given Second Amendment RIGHTS! Warren Religion Dec 2012 #208
It is sad that so many people will have such a horrific event they need to absorb rustydog Dec 2012 #3
I looked at the photos of the two persons he killed malaise Dec 2012 #5
I used to wonder what it would be like to live in Israel, Iraq, Mexico soleft Dec 2012 #7
You're right. And our American mass violence is even more senseless. nt Chorophyll Dec 2012 #54
Turned on Florida news at 6.00pm malaise Dec 2012 #167
it seems there are a lot of bank robberies lately. don't know how valid that perception is but it HiPointDem Dec 2012 #198
More bloody victories for the NRA. Arugula Latte Dec 2012 #4
The shooter had only two speeding tickets. He had no criminal record. bluestate10 Dec 2012 #240
Other stories say he stole the gun. nt hack89 Dec 2012 #6
There are jsut too many guns period malaise Dec 2012 #9
Once you get rid of the illegal ones hack89 Dec 2012 #13
We can talk about the legal ones right damn now. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author hack89 Dec 2012 #58
Including knives and Bow/arrow AlexSatan Dec 2012 #74
How many people die from intentionally inflicted knife wounds JDPriestly Dec 2012 #128
the more you talk about it, the worse it will get. trouble.smith Dec 2012 #165
Is it because I'M TALKING ABOUT IT? Chorophyll Dec 2012 #249
I've already explained it but you won't hear it. Keep playing politics with this. trouble.smith Dec 2012 #250
Where have you explained it? Chorophyll Dec 2012 #252
when you threaten to ban guns, you incite panic buying trouble.smith Dec 2012 #253
That's the most specious argument I've ever heard in my life. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #254
I'm sure it's a bitter pill to swallow, the truth often is. trouble.smith Dec 2012 #256
Problem is that the illegal guns all started out legal. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #118
How does registration stop mass killings? hack89 Dec 2012 #139
If guns were registered and owners held responsible for knowing JDPriestly Dec 2012 #193
That won't stop violence hack89 Dec 2012 #194
No. I do not want to ban guns. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #199
Ok - thanks for the polite conversation hack89 Dec 2012 #202
Austria is a mountainous country with lots of game and a culture JDPriestly Dec 2012 #241
Very good blueamy66 Dec 2012 #209
I am wondering where the guns in Jamaica come from Hangingon Dec 2012 #62
Like Mexico, a lot of them come from US gun stores. DanTex Dec 2012 #70
Sure be interested in something to back that up. Hangingon Dec 2012 #73
LOL. I didn't realize there were still some gun nuts pushing Fast and Furious conspiracy theories. DanTex Dec 2012 #89
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! malaise Dec 2012 #186
Fast and Furious? RetroLounge Dec 2012 #192
Most come from the US malaise Dec 2012 #180
whether he stole it or not rbrnmw Dec 2012 #83
So what do you suggest? hack89 Dec 2012 #87
registration and licensing maxsolomon Dec 2012 #108
I have no problem licensing guns like cars hack89 Dec 2012 #142
other countries do the police interviews maxsolomon Dec 2012 #179
There are always some willing to give the police arbitrary power over someone else. hack89 Dec 2012 #183
i am not contending that there is an epidemic of gun violence maxsolomon Dec 2012 #231
Suicides are a mental health problem hack89 Dec 2012 #233
no, the intersection of handguns and suicide is not simply a mental health problem: maxsolomon Dec 2012 #238
Just remember that you have never been safer hack89 Dec 2012 #239
He didn't BUY anything - he STOLE it - Indydem Dec 2012 #8
From what I heard, it was a friend. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2012 #17
+1 Brazillion Myrina Dec 2012 #29
"you gun enthusiasts aren't out of the woods yet" Remmah2 Dec 2012 #33
If one wishes to be an apologist..... Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2012 #36
Even if you do nothing else, silence is assent. & Maybe the rest of us would be okay with patrice Dec 2012 #94
I would want to distance myself from gun enthusiasts, too. morningfog Dec 2012 #210
"you gun enthusiasts aren't out of the woods yet" Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #51
No, I'm sorry. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2012 #53
Thank you. Seriously. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #57
Feel free to provide said "facts." Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #59
Well others have made that position. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2012 #67
Thanks. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #72
Since 35,000 people are killed in auto collisions every year, does that make every licenesed driver jtuck004 Dec 2012 #68
Guns = Cars. Gee, I haven't heard that one before. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2012 #69
Sure. And vehicles are used for intentional homicide AlexSatan Dec 2012 #78
And non-mass killings? Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2012 #99
I thought the discussion and the angst AlexSatan Dec 2012 #116
Who said most gun homicides are gang related? DanTex Dec 2012 #121
The Nat'l Institute of Justice AlexSatan Dec 2012 #125
LOL. You probably want to take a closer look at that chart. DanTex Dec 2012 #134
I realize that AlexSatan Dec 2012 #143
LOL again. Did you try googling "gang homicide statistics"? DanTex Dec 2012 #145
I stand corrected AlexSatan Dec 2012 #153
Wow, that's a first -- someone in a gun debate admits they were mistaken. DanTex Dec 2012 #156
Facts win every time malaise Dec 2012 #168
The "angst" is about gun related violence. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2012 #211
So other violence is OK, right? AlexSatan Dec 2012 #215
Guns are the only weapons with a major lobby that obstructs all regulations. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2012 #222
It is also the only one covered by the Constitution AlexSatan Dec 2012 #225
Does the car lobby advocate the use of cars as a weapon? Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2012 #226
No gun lobbyists advocate using the guns for homicide AlexSatan Dec 2012 #228
Homicide does not equal murder. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2012 #229
So this is about numbers. How is more of some 1 thing that is not intrinsically valuable in and patrice Dec 2012 #131
Bingo AlexSatan Dec 2012 #146
If that means anything at all, it means that MEANWHILE the killing has to stop. This idea that patrice Dec 2012 #160
No, false-analogy responsibility=false-analogy responsibility. PavePusher Dec 2012 #80
Just wait till you get to guns = swimming pools! DanTex Dec 2012 #102
Well, baby, you've heard it now <G>. jtuck004 Dec 2012 #123
Is every drinker complicit in the damage done by alcohol? hack89 Dec 2012 #77
Gun owners are under greater responsiblity to ensure the safety of deadly weapons. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2012 #110
Only their own weapons, correct? hack89 Dec 2012 #135
I'm very responsible with my guns. Bake Dec 2012 #166
Sez who? You? On what authority? n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #174
It's not just guns, but the use of guns does have a more direct, more highly probable, relationships patrice Dec 2012 #140
Guns are highly regulated compared to alcohol hack89 Dec 2012 #144
Everybody's law abiding.....until they aren't. n/t kurtzapril4 Dec 2012 #120
I find it hilarious when gun enthusiasts try to distinguish themselves from morningfog Dec 2012 #212
My analogy's fine, thanks. Yours? Not so much. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #218
Do you own a car? PavePusher Dec 2012 #79
Nope, sorry. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2012 #105
Intent doesn't matter. Results do. No-one intends to get their firearms stolen. PavePusher Dec 2012 #136
Why go for the NRA knee-jerk defensive tactic? rustydog Dec 2012 #181
FAIL! Carolina Dec 2012 #158
So when someone does suffer a car death, it's meaningless? PavePusher Dec 2012 #173
"Can be a weapon" versus "is a weapon" Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2012 #213
Thank You, Tommy! Carolina Dec 2012 #237
Ya , cause .... Mangoman Dec 2012 #21
Hunting/target shooting/competition justanidea Dec 2012 #22
You forgot to add- as fast as you can depress the trigger rustydog Dec 2012 #25
AR-15s are not powerful enough to shoot game like deer. hack89 Dec 2012 #31
Good point...OOPS, three are still dead in Oregon from the AR15 rustydog Dec 2012 #38
So you support a ban on on guns that can be used for mass killings? hack89 Dec 2012 #40
There are plenty of ARs set up for hunting. justanidea Dec 2012 #35
A case can be made for the shotgun, for your neighbor's sake though. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #101
All your cited hunting calibers are far more powerful than most AR-pattern rifles... PavePusher Dec 2012 #85
What the fuck AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #97
What utter comfort to the bereaved families! villager Dec 2012 #30
I didn't mean it that way. justanidea Dec 2012 #37
So what if my family was murdered w/an ax because guns were banned? Remmah2 Dec 2012 #39
Yes, the spate of "mass axings" in our culture -- at workplaces and shopping malls -- is disturbing villager Dec 2012 #64
The UK saw a pretty large spike in knifings after they enacted their near-total gun ban. Flatulo Dec 2012 #172
Are you proposing that wholesale reintroduction of guns into the UK will make violence go down? villager Dec 2012 #178
No, not at all - just that the causes of violence are more complex than Flatulo Dec 2012 #188
Yes, but guns are routinely an "amplifier" of those causes. villager Dec 2012 #230
I see them more as tools. They can be used Flatulo Dec 2012 #242
Well, knives and bats have killed far fewer in history than guns have. villager Dec 2012 #243
Well, throughout history armies slaughtered whole populations with swords and spears. Flatulo Dec 2012 #244
a very false equivalency, as today's events prove. yet again. villager Dec 2012 #248
After today's shootings, I'm finally turning a corner. Flatulo Dec 2012 #255
I am clueless about hunting Mangoman Dec 2012 #32
I own an AR but I don't hunt. justanidea Dec 2012 #44
Well that's great Mangoman Dec 2012 #49
Funny, I missed that part in the Constitution. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #103
You mean: "Well regulated militia"? rustydog Dec 2012 #152
I do, actually. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #162
Why should I? PavePusher Dec 2012 #175
I think the real point is that if we could magically make every AR-15 disappear, Flatulo Dec 2012 #177
They do former-republican Dec 2012 #47
AR-15s are military rifles for combat Coyotl Dec 2012 #203
Wikipedia, full of shit as usual. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #223
The same reason people but throwing knives AlexSatan Dec 2012 #84
You. Must. Protect. Your. Weapon. lapislzi Dec 2012 #27
When there is a way to make anything theft-proof, be sure to let us know, O.K.? n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #86
Don't put words in my mouth. lapislzi Dec 2012 #104
You seemed to be insinuating that the lawful owner did not properly safeguard his property. PavePusher Dec 2012 #107
True enough. But... lapislzi Dec 2012 #113
Obviously, he didn't properly safeguard his property. kurtzapril4 Dec 2012 #119
This guy is a criminal - he murdered people. Indydem Dec 2012 #127
not really most gunsafes are not as secure as most think. A good safe cost more than most former-republican Dec 2012 #132
I was there in the early 80's. Ranch security. oneshooter Dec 2012 #185
Is this supposed to excuse the NRA? Doctor_J Dec 2012 #81
Assuming controlling firearms will make anything better is a putrid leap of logic. Indydem Dec 2012 #124
You're right! bongbong Dec 2012 #138
Don't forget mass knifings, mass baseball battings, Doctor_J Dec 2012 #184
Ok. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #224
What did the NRA have to do with this? PavePusher Dec 2012 #154
What does one need to cross the divide from "Murderous" to "Mass Murderer"? wtmusic Dec 2012 #88
What about a bomb? Indydem Dec 2012 #122
Very hard to build a bomb in the heat of the moment. wtmusic Dec 2012 #150
AR-15's are not at all "high powered". No matter how many times you claim they are. n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #157
Yeah and three people are not at all "dead". wtmusic Dec 2012 #163
Ah, guns as sexual fetishes. Weak sauce. n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #170
Sexual?? Where'd you get that from? wtmusic Dec 2012 #171
Probably I am.... but not with guns. PavePusher Dec 2012 #176
He (possibly) had the right to buy it, but in fact he stole it. Recursion Dec 2012 #10
Please add a link to the stolen gun story malaise Dec 2012 #11
He stole it from someone he knew, Police say Recursion Dec 2012 #14
Thanks n/t malaise Dec 2012 #15
Here is the link, but it doesn't change the fact, that guns are too readily available rustydog Dec 2012 #18
+1,000 n/t malaise Dec 2012 #20
"I do not know, unless deer have begun shooting back." former-republican Dec 2012 #23
Shit no, I own firearms rustydog Dec 2012 #26
Hint: Because the 2A is not about armed bears. Remmah2 Dec 2012 #43
What makes an AR-pattern rifle not a legitimate hunting weapon? PavePusher Dec 2012 #90
Once again, AR-15's as designed, are not legal for hunting deer. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #106
There's a lot of other hunting than whitetails former-republican Dec 2012 #141
I don't know, why don't you read the post I was responding to. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #147
But you are incorrect on that , there are at least 6 states I know of where the .223 is legal former-republican Dec 2012 #151
When did the gun become stolen? RC Dec 2012 #149
According to the news reports it was stolen by the shooter the day prior. n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #159
Looks like a pleasant enough fellow. Wonder what went wrong? . . . Journeyman Dec 2012 #12
The sad truth is the NRA controls the "discussion" in America rustydog Dec 2012 #19
but the other part of the discussion is not about guns hfojvt Dec 2012 #45
Exactly. n/t DeSwiss Dec 2012 #66
Goddamit, I'm sick of this foolhardy equivocation. Bicoastal Dec 2012 #115
Touche! Carolina Dec 2012 #161
you missed my point hfojvt Dec 2012 #200
Your logic makes no sense. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2012 #214
some people seem to think we are only talking about guns hfojvt Dec 2012 #232
Objects that only accidentially or negligently cause harm are not by definition "weapons." Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2012 #235
really fixated on the whole guns vs. cars thing hfojvt Dec 2012 #246
I'm only fixated on it because it is repeated ad nauseum by the gun enthusiasts. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2012 #247
An objects availability and its intended use must be taken into account. neverforget Dec 2012 #190
+1 nt Live and Learn Dec 2012 #207
Anomie maxsolomon Dec 2012 #111
My grandfather used to hunt deer in the winter time... Not Me Dec 2012 #16
They seem to have been able to track this weapon quickly former-republican Dec 2012 #24
Private party or fairgrounds gun show and the sale is untraceable rustydog Dec 2012 #28
Every gun show at the fairgrounds/firehall I've ever been to requires a 4473 and a background check. Remmah2 Dec 2012 #41
I think he's talking about a private sale at a gun show former-republican Dec 2012 #46
It has to differ by state. Remmah2 Dec 2012 #48
The last time I went to kurtzapril4 Dec 2012 #129
Not at all. It just requires some extra police work to do interviews and locate people. n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #91
My buddy and I secondvariety Dec 2012 #130
Cool story. PavePusher Dec 2012 #164
You'd have to ask him, secondvariety Dec 2012 #182
I guess I was too subtle and you missed my point... PavePusher Dec 2012 #204
And you missed my point. secondvariety Dec 2012 #257
So you seem to be saying that your friend did have criminal history or intent.... PavePusher Dec 2012 #258
THAT'S what troubling to you? secondvariety Dec 2012 #259
The law states that one may not sell a gun to a person if you have reason to believe that the buyer PavePusher Dec 2012 #260
And I'm amused by the fact secondvariety Dec 2012 #261
You were there. You witnessed it. You did not report it to police. PavePusher Dec 2012 #263
Lol. secondvariety Dec 2012 #264
Why can't we just rule the 2nd Amendment only applies to militias? BanTheGOP Dec 2012 #34
Because that would require a constitutional amendment. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #55
Because there are 5 right-wing justices on the supreme court. DanTex Dec 2012 #71
Correctomundo!! BanTheGOP Dec 2012 #148
What are you smoking? Please do not tell me that you actually believe that Flatulo Dec 2012 #189
I give you two links... BanTheGOP Dec 2012 #234
I have a big problem with the fist part of Article 25. Flatulo Dec 2012 #236
Upon further examination, I see the UN document also guarantees private property rights, Flatulo Dec 2012 #245
Article 5 of the Constitution awaits you. Go hog wild. n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #95
Now, now, he could have just as easily gone on a murder spree with rocks Capt. Obvious Dec 2012 #42
Bombs. progressoid Dec 2012 #52
Just the hard ones...NRA sez 17,556 are killed with quartz every year. wtmusic Dec 2012 #82
The more guns manufactured-the more guns stolen. ErikJ Dec 2012 #60
No, the gun industry's lobby is the NSSF Recursion Dec 2012 #227
Great thread title. nt raccoon Dec 2012 #65
As it turns out, he stole it. PavePusher Dec 2012 #75
young handsome guy. Liberal_in_LA Dec 2012 #76
If only all the other shoppers had AR-15 assult rifles taught_me_patience Dec 2012 #92
Looks like a kid. I wonder what happened to him to twist up his mind so badly. slackmaster Dec 2012 #93
+++1! patrice Dec 2012 #96
Yep he's way too young for this end malaise Dec 2012 #137
Since the second amendment was adopted in 1791............. George II Dec 2012 #98
In 1791 there existed a 20 shot rifle. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #109
Okay, fine..........let's include teh Girandoni Repeating Rifle, not an AK-46. George II Dec 2012 #196
Why? AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #197
Did you read your post to which I responded? George II Dec 2012 #206
Sure. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #217
Free speech should not include telephones? Freedom of the press not online? dmallind Dec 2012 #114
The Constitution was amended to expand the vote, it wasn't amended to expand........ George II Dec 2012 #195
There is no restriction of "assault rifles" (which you probably can't define) inherent.... PavePusher Dec 2012 #221
zzzzzzzzzzzz Skittles Dec 2012 #112
Yes sir/m'aam! n/t kurtzapril4 Dec 2012 #133
Oh, the NRA backs him libodem Dec 2012 #126
where were the concealed carriers? onethatcares Dec 2012 #155
Depending on the state you live in, out of a crowd of 30 people, you can assume 7 have a permit to AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #220
There is plenty of reason to oppose the NRA without making crap up, even as snark. PavePusher Dec 2012 #169
You think this killing won't make the gun manufacturers more money? Fumesucker Dec 2012 #201
"more"? Oregon already has CC. Not sure how to make it "more". PavePusher Dec 2012 #205
I'm not in Oregon, are you? Fumesucker Dec 2012 #216
Interesting hypothesis.... but your facetiousness really isn't helpfull. n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #219
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #187
Not the latest anymore mercuryblues Dec 2012 #251
I had the same thought malaise Dec 2012 #262
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