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42. owners are generally responsible for their DOGS' behavior.

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 04:08 PM

Dec 2012

it's not even a question of whether or not the parents are "at fault" in the sense of having done anything specifically wrong.
sure, if the parents taught their kid to bully (perhaps unintentionally, perhaps by example, whatever) then of course we would think to hold the parents responsible.

but the reality is that people should also be responsible for accidents and the actions of their pets and minor children even if no one did anything "wrong".

the american obsession with guilt often clouds judgment here.

you don't have to be a guilty party to be a responsible party.

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should parents of bullies be held liable? [View all] srican69 Dec 2012 OP

Sorta Kinda Agree But, bakpakr Dec 2012 #1

I agree with you .. its has to be a combination ... I think instituting a searchable srican69 Dec 2012 #10

Fact is her mom needs to be applying those punishments jeff47 Dec 2012 #22

Heck, if she isn't, she's essentially abusing her kid. KitSileya Dec 2012 #65

Many of my antagonists were kids of good teachers. HughBeaumont Dec 2012 #2

That does not absolve them of the responsibility of straightening their kids out srican69 Dec 2012 #11

Yes, but you legally own your dog. You don't own your kids. white_wolf Dec 2012 #31

disagree .... I might not own my kids ... but I am responsible for their actions. NT srican69 Dec 2012 #34

To an extent, but I don't think you can punish parents for their kid's actions. white_wolf Dec 2012 #37

I'm pretty sure that parents are responsible blueamy66 Dec 2012 #96

Parents of bullies should *also* be held liable. (nt) Posteritatis Dec 2012 #3

I agree. In_The_Wind Dec 2012 #6

My son was bullied and my daughter was sexually harassed in elementary school AngryOldDem Dec 2012 #4

some parents of bullies are supportive of their kids and are totally blind to their srican69 Dec 2012 #9

Zero tolerance for being bullied, I always called it strategery blunder Dec 2012 #14

Depends how old the kid is eridani Dec 2012 #5

my neice is 9 the bully is around the same age srican69 Dec 2012 #8

Yes, Bullying is a learned behavior n/t JesterCS Dec 2012 #7

Sometimes it's learned at school. Mariana Dec 2012 #13

True, however... JesterCS Dec 2012 #62

I was bullied, too. Mariana Dec 2012 #64

ITA about the police! nt raccoon Dec 2012 #78

"Trai n up a child..." Children are basically taught bullying either directly or indirectly. nt kelliekat44 Dec 2012 #38

I wonder if it would be prudent that if school does nothing about bullying. MassedPole Dec 2012 #12

Yes, behind most bullies are negligent or clueless parents. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #15

Behind a lot more of them are abusive parents jberryhill Dec 2012 #54

That, too. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #63

Yes, absolutely. slackmaster Dec 2012 #16

they should be required to do SOMETHING renate Dec 2012 #17

Should parents of murderers be put to death, too? Should parents of bank robbers . . . . . Stinky The Clown Dec 2012 #18

Juvenile bank robbers who are still living under their parents' roof, sure. slackmaster Dec 2012 #19

Lousy analogies ....a better one is that of a dog owner .. if my dog bites anyone - you might want srican69 Dec 2012 #26

Yes. Bullies Don't Like Being Bullied TForbster Dec 2012 #20

Yes they should...and be required to take parenting classes. Beyond that, there's always Juvenile libdem4life Dec 2012 #21

This message was self-deleted by its author Lone_Star_Dem Dec 2012 #23

I think the parents of both parties Capt. Obvious Dec 2012 #24

That is an extremely naive strategy .. srican69 Dec 2012 #25

What did the school bus driver do? He should have stopped the bus and made those children get southernyankeebelle Dec 2012 #27

seriously ? and what if a car runs over the kid? srican69 Dec 2012 #28

The bus driver on my grandkids bus tell the kids not to talk loud and by god they don't. He southernyankeebelle Dec 2012 #35

I don't recommend this. scratcho Dec 2012 #29

I am so with you on this .... srican69 Dec 2012 #30

NO. GaYellowDawg Dec 2012 #32

I often wonder how siblings raised in one family can turn out so different. southernyankeebelle Dec 2012 #39

I'm sorry, southernyankeebelle, but you and your siblings were right to cry your "eyes out" pnwmom Dec 2012 #73

Well believe it or not they really were great parents. We did things as a family. If my southernyankeebelle Dec 2012 #81

I'm glad to hear this, southernyankeebell. pnwmom Dec 2012 #84

I understand your point of view. None of my siblings were born in an orphanage. But I will tell southernyankeebelle Dec 2012 #89

Because siblings raised in one family can be treated so differently by parents. raccoon Dec 2012 #79

True but it still is something to see. I don't think my parents tried to have favorites but I guess southernyankeebelle Dec 2012 #82

But sometimes maybe they are better behaved BECAUSE they are favored! nt raccoon Dec 2012 #83

That is true am sure. southernyankeebelle Dec 2012 #88

The exception doesn't disprove the rule loyalsister Dec 2012 #40

Bullying is certainly learned behavior. Mariana Dec 2012 #52

Automatically assuming vs questioning a likely scenario loyalsister Dec 2012 #53

The parents need to be told, of course. Mariana Dec 2012 #55

Whether or not it originates at home, the parent's job is to stop it. (nt) jeff47 Dec 2012 #68

How do you know it's the exception? GaYellowDawg Dec 2012 #95

Correlation is not cause loyalsister Dec 2012 #98

No, it's not. GaYellowDawg Dec 2012 #99

"Children aren't automatons that entirely emulate their parents" loyalsister Dec 2012 #100

+1 nt abelenkpe Dec 2012 #51

Parents should be held liable for the actions of minor children. Mel Content Dec 2012 #33

No. Sometimes good people who do all the right things still end up with Sheldon Cooper Dec 2012 #36

No. People with poor parenting skills would then bully their kids pnwmom Dec 2012 #41

I also think------ scratcho Dec 2012 #43

I agree with you except for the blank slate part. pnwmom Dec 2012 #49

Good post. scratcho Dec 2012 #60

Even if the parents didn't cause the bullying, it's the parents job to fix it. jeff47 Dec 2012 #69

Are parents gods? Can they magically control everything their children do pnwmom Dec 2012 #72

If the kid needs therapy, it's their job to get it. jeff47 Dec 2012 #74

That doesn't mean that we should be legally responsible for actions pnwmom Dec 2012 #75

Again, being the parent means we are responsible, even when it's not fair. (nt) jeff47 Dec 2012 #77

Not in my state, it doesn't. Not legally. nt pnwmom Dec 2012 #85

And that would kinda be the point of this entire thread - to change that. (nt) jeff47 Dec 2012 #86

Fortunately, in my state that won't ever happen. pnwmom Dec 2012 #92

Maybe not criminally, but maybe civilly... blueamy66 Dec 2012 #97

owners are generally responsible for their DOGS' behavior. unblock Dec 2012 #42

I love your argument ... are you a lawyer? srican69 Dec 2012 #44

lol! no, but i am multi-tasking, reviewing a contract on my other screen! unblock Dec 2012 #45

You can keep a dog in your fenced yard all the time if it bites gollygee Dec 2012 #87

No.. randomtagger Dec 2012 #46

see #42 srican69 Dec 2012 #47

As the various replies here have shown, bullying SheilaT Dec 2012 #48

do you think a kid is less likely to be bullied in a private school? srican69 Dec 2012 #56

My son was no longer bullied in the private school. SheilaT Dec 2012 #93

IMO it would depend on if they have been informed that their child is a bully. If they did nothing jwirr Dec 2012 #50

I agree. Fine the parents then let the parents handle their little brats. BlueJazz Dec 2012 #57

I haven't read the thread but your story breaks my heart. former-republican Dec 2012 #58

I dont hold it against them ... kids will be kids ..that is why srican69 Dec 2012 #59

"you need parents" former-republican Dec 2012 #61

Good idea. But, lonestarnot Dec 2012 #66

Only if called out on their kid(s) unchanged behavior that cost someone. flvegan Dec 2012 #67

Now that "bullying" is damn near anything that offends anyone, no. lightcameron Dec 2012 #70

Criminal bullying, like assaults and robberies Mariana Dec 2012 #71

Instead of trying to figure out who to punish Live and Learn Dec 2012 #76

No. nt Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #80

one of my mother's favorite proclomations is "That's not how i raised you to be!" Mel Content Dec 2012 #90

ouch!!!! srican69 Dec 2012 #91

Well, that's kinda horseshit if you ask me. GaYellowDawg Dec 2012 #94

i didn't ask. Mel Content Dec 2012 #102

Yes Rider3 Dec 2012 #101

Most bullies are bullied themselves DainBramaged Dec 2012 #103