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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
54. Of course, there are some towns with lower crime rates.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 11:08 AM
Dec 2012

There are also some towns with little or no poverty, great public schools, etc. Pointing at isolated examples to pretend we don't have a national problem is silly though.

What you seem to keep missing is that the US does not have a problem of violent crime that is out of order with other wealthy nations. We have high rates specifically of homicide, because we have more guns, and crimes committed with guns are much more likely to result in death. So, while I agree with things like improving mental healthcare access, that doesn't mean we don't also need sensible gun laws.

IBL pipoman Dec 2012 #1
In a truly free society does it matter? MrSlayer Dec 2012 #2
What free society? NoOneMan Dec 2012 #3
Not enough information. I don't consider all shootings to be a bad thing. JVS Dec 2012 #4
Apparently an unlimited amount as long as "we" continue to complain about drones. nt patrice Dec 2012 #5
I would agree. IDoMath Dec 2012 #7
How many deaths are acceptable? IDoMath Dec 2012 #6
There are a lot of reasons why gun control and prohibition of alcohol are very different. DanTex Dec 2012 #25
Of course, the devil's in the details, isn't it? LAGC Dec 2012 #27
In the short term, yes, in the longer term, no. DanTex Dec 2012 #29
The similarities are more relevant than the differences IDoMath Dec 2012 #32
I don't think so. DanTex Dec 2012 #33
The stats don't justify the hair-on-fire gun control attitude. pipoman Dec 2012 #8
Who told you that more guns in more places is "progressive" or a "civil right?" Hoyt Dec 2012 #13
Liberal interpretation of enumerated civil liberties pipoman Dec 2012 #14
LOL. "Settled" by a 5-4 decision with only right-wingers in the majority. DanTex Dec 2012 #23
"Urbanites"? Paladin Dec 2012 #31
I assume you do know that backwoodsbob Dec 2012 #9
Do you have a source for that? n/t cynatnite Dec 2012 #10
here (violent crime in general) The Straight Story Dec 2012 #12
Interesting.... Where is the problem, really? IDoMath Dec 2012 #34
Illinois has some of the strictest gun laws in America. nt hack89 Dec 2012 #36
This is not true. What's with the false statistics from the NRA crowd? DanTex Dec 2012 #63
Approximately how many deaths from home invasions is acceptable by anti-gunners? AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #11
Ah, if it isn't anecdotal evidence from the NRA crowd! DanTex Dec 2012 #18
Then choose not to bring guns into your house. LAGC Dec 2012 #20
Ah, the old NRA change-of-subject. DanTex Dec 2012 #22
Why are you resorting to ad hominem attacks? LAGC Dec 2012 #24
So calling someone who repeats NRA talking points an NRAer is ad hominem? DanTex Dec 2012 #26
Most defensive gun uses don't involve death. LAGC Dec 2012 #28
Most gun crimes don't involve death either. DanTex Dec 2012 #30
You name-calling jerk. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #67
Evidently 120+ per day to lack of medical care is acceptable hobbit709 Dec 2012 #15
Oh, also... pipoman Dec 2012 #16
LOL. Never thought I'd see poll trutherism right here on DU! DanTex Dec 2012 #21
Agreed.. Upton Dec 2012 #55
Fix root causes hack89 Dec 2012 #17
And encourage gun owners to actually act responsibily and in society's best interest. Hoyt Dec 2012 #35
Since my guns don't pollute I am good to go. nt hack89 Dec 2012 #37
That's what factory owners say too. Hoyt Dec 2012 #44
Every other industrialized democracy has far less gun violence than the US. DanTex Dec 2012 #19
Don't they have lower levels of violence in general? hack89 Dec 2012 #38
No. DanTex Dec 2012 #48
Yet where I live is just as safe as any such country - maybe even safer hack89 Dec 2012 #53
What has being an "industrialized democracy" got to do with it? 1-Old-Man Dec 2012 #40
It's for the sake of an apples-to-apples comparison. DanTex Dec 2012 #50
My town is just as safe as every other industrialized democracy hack89 Dec 2012 #42
Of course, there are some towns with lower crime rates. DanTex Dec 2012 #54
So what additional laws do we need? hack89 Dec 2012 #56
Licensing and registration for handguns, for one. DanTex Dec 2012 #60
Licensing and registration will never happen hack89 Dec 2012 #65
Dan ~ you are making too much sense goclark Dec 2012 #66
Sensible within the limits of strict scrutiny is ok hack89 Dec 2012 #57
We have far more people in prison then many other Western nations combined. Kaleva Dec 2012 #49
True, though we do not have higher rates of violent crime. DanTex Dec 2012 #52
Depends--suicide vs murder are completely different AlexSatan Dec 2012 #39
Since suicides are not declining as much as gun crime, they are useful to pad the numbers. nt hack89 Dec 2012 #45
According to those billh58 Dec 2012 #41
How many deaths by automobile are acceptable to you? oneshooter Dec 2012 #43
drunk drivers cause more deaths than guns in the u.s. annually. Mel Content Dec 2012 #46
Yes. 1-Old-Man Dec 2012 #47
That worked out so well the last time. Didn't it. oneshooter Dec 2012 #58
That's not true, actually. DanTex Dec 2012 #62
They don't seem to billh58 Dec 2012 #68
About half of all victims are shot by someone they know - therefore don't hang out with these people FarCenter Dec 2012 #51
I have no friends so I'm safe. Kaleva Dec 2012 #61
And if you don't go to places where people are shot at times when they are shot, you are even safer FarCenter Dec 2012 #64
We could follow Vermont's example where even a 14 year old can carry a handgun Kaleva Dec 2012 #59
Locking HappyMe Dec 2012 #69
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