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redqueen

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65. I think probably yes.

Sat Jan 21, 2012, 10:18 AM

Jan 2012

I don't remember the figures, but apparently the top selling artists used to sell a lot more albums before the wholesale stealing started. The albums that were at the top of the charts, I mean.

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Is online piracy a really serious problem? My opinion: nope. [View all] limpyhobbler Jan 2012 OP

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I take a loaf of bread, I deprive the store owner of a loaf of bread to sell. joshcryer Jan 2012 #6

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"Intellectual property" is immoral. joshcryer Jan 2012 #12

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Intellectual property is the ownership of information. joshcryer Jan 2012 #24

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Uh, no, it can't. joshcryer Jan 2012 #29

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I wouldn't care. joshcryer Jan 2012 #37

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But, the laws exist, you champion them. joshcryer Jan 2012 #50

hahahahaha BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT joeglow3 Jan 2012 #63

Yes, we have established you want free shit. joeglow3 Jan 2012 #156

Nothing is free. joshcryer Jan 2012 #162

Our conception of intellectual property PETRUS Jan 2012 #158

Fuck yeah. Give it all to me for free joeglow3 Jan 2012 #166

That's cute. PETRUS Jan 2012 #174

2 key questions joeglow3 Jan 2012 #176

You should probably direct those questions to the authors of the paper. PETRUS Jan 2012 #179

Good read limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #198

You have a twisted (and fundamentally flawed) view of the motivation behind artistic creation. Edweird Jan 2012 #188

I'd want to see more details than that before I paid it any heed. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2012 #175

Fair questions PETRUS Jan 2012 #177

You do know without intellectual property we'd still be a pre-industrial civilisation, right? Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2012 #89

Bull. Intellectual property has been an inherent clog to technological development. joshcryer Jan 2012 #164

Because it is kind of a hard question.... daleanime Jan 2012 #16

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The plaintiff doesn't get to fantasize unchallenged what that "compensation" should have been. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #22

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Sorry, it's not a thief (ugh!) and the monetary effects of the copying... JackRiddler Jan 2012 #38

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Strain as you might, your argument falters on the attempt JackRiddler Jan 2012 #53

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Excellent that you can cite legal paragraphs that support what I said. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #99

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+1 Some bands will put a 'free' sampler on their web page. And a link to buy more! wandy Jan 2012 #88

Don't forget, Bieber himself got popular for doing uncompensated covers of others' songs. joshcryer Jan 2012 #31

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At first, they most certainly were unlicensed. joshcryer Jan 2012 #52

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Let's de-abstract this. Occulus Jan 2012 #77

Singing in a bar does count, look at karaoke licensing. joshcryer Jan 2012 #151

Tesha. Are you fimilar with Tom Petty. wandy Jan 2012 #90

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I agree. I'm starting a fizzy beverage company that sells soft drinks Egalitariat Jan 2012 #82

You should go into law instead, and learn the difference between copyright and trademark. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #101

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No. It's not. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #21

"Creativity" doesn't pay, never has. hunter Jan 2012 #129

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Yep, every kid playing basketball on an inner city blacktop is gonna grow up to be Michael Jordan... hunter Jan 2012 #133

Interesting perspective. randome Jan 2012 #134

Not only that, but independent publishing (digitally) continues to go up. joshcryer Jan 2012 #3

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We are no where near there, yet, 10-15 years, though. joshcryer Jan 2012 #11

Thank you. Occulus Jan 2012 #78

Interesting that you can't come up with an example from the last 20 years. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #13

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A travesty that defiled the books. No question JackRiddler Jan 2012 #23

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This is not "situational." This is classic socialist property critique. joshcryer Jan 2012 #32

Yes exactly: Anything that ISN'T producing revenue privately is costing something to someone. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #72

I'm a creative person and I am strongly supportive of intellectual property rights Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #141

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This makes sense to me too limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #186

Yeah, but I mean, look at the Bieber example: joshcryer Jan 2012 #152

Geez, why did Tesha make such an effort... JackRiddler Jul 2013 #199

"Is your morality so situational?" JackRiddler Jan 2012 #42

Yeah, I would have been disappointed in you if you hadn't come up with that. Occurred to me, too. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #140

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The way to see Avatar is in an IMAX 3D setting, IMHO. So the piracy issue is moot, there. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #144

Speaking of those exact films, Occulus Jan 2012 #79

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No, music directors have and are known to send to the publisher for a "review copy" of the score Occulus Jan 2012 #84

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"Re-arranging, by the way, is acceptable." Occulus Jan 2012 #110

But the copyright holders CAN 'bat an eye' if they want. randome Jan 2012 #113

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Not if it's used for an educational purpose... Fearless Jan 2012 #192

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I said educational purposes. Like in a classroom teaching students. Fearless Jan 2012 #194

What about libraries? Dash Riprock Jan 2012 #147

Your library hands out every book made for free to everyone in the world? joeglow3 Jan 2012 #149

Yes, libraries hand out every book for free reorg Jan 2012 #165

Kick ass. I have about 500 books I want for free joeglow3 Jan 2012 #169

Quite a civilized system they have over there. We need to adopt it. joshcryer Jan 2012 #170

Yes but theirs something more to this than just copy protection. wandy Jan 2012 #91

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Then something has changed. Back when I was a young fool, rather than old fool, I was somewhat of a wandy Jan 2012 #114

Of course SOPA would be used for illegitimate purposes. randome Jan 2012 #115

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Proof. Yes, yes, in case of dispute. wandy Jan 2012 #132

In one thread, you maintain that copyright infringement is not theft and that providing services is? Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2012 #124

Where is that stated? joshcryer Jan 2012 #153

Posts #2 and #3. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2012 #168

Ahh, you think that in a modern world with digital distribution middlemen are necessary? joshcryer Jan 2012 #173

BTW, companies like Adobe, Microsoft, etc, *profit more* from piracy. joshcryer Jan 2012 #4

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Bad behavior! Bad, bad, badbadbadbadbad! JackRiddler Jan 2012 #46

These companies used sitewide licenses for a reason, made the software very easy to copy... joshcryer Jan 2012 #55

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I'm quite familiar with it, and it shows that the bottom line is not harmed by student discounts. joshcryer Jan 2012 #154

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This is called 'Quack'. The software you learned how to use first will likley be you're favorite. wandy Jan 2012 #93

The movie industry has done a bang up job of fighting piracy by refusing to make movies good enough Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #10

I think what's going to be amazing is when books start beind readapted into movies... joshcryer Jan 2012 #14

The thing they like to do is.. sendero Jan 2012 #15

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Nope! Also, let's start with the name: Piracy, my ass. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #20

My view MichaelMcGuire Jan 2012 #28

"It's people lending books." joshcryer Jan 2012 #34

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Did you watch the video? joshcryer Jan 2012 #54

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But, how do I justify getting free shit, then? joeglow3 Jan 2012 #64

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You might have a remote point if I didn't already say I would willingly give my shit away for free. joshcryer Jan 2012 #157

Ahhh. The argument of "give me yours cause I would give you mine (if I had some)" joeglow3 Jan 2012 #161

Tell ya what, I'll let you know when I do, and you can apologize profusely for making it personal... joshcryer Jan 2012 #167

You made it personal when you said what YOU would do. joeglow3 Jan 2012 #171

Post #63 is where you started making it personal. joshcryer Jan 2012 #172

You didn't watch the video. joshcryer Jan 2012 #155

Ahh but back in the day their were tape deks that used 1/2 inch tape and moved 30 ips. wandy Jan 2012 #94

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As good as digital is. I still miss that old monster tascam. wandy Jan 2012 #118

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I er... ah..... fold? Haveing never met one of thes things up close and personal, as in wandy Jan 2012 #128

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Sure, who doesn't. MichaelMcGuire Jan 2012 #92

Photoshop = $699 n/t bitchkitty Jan 2012 #33

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"Do you think that argument would fly?" JackRiddler Jan 2012 #48

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I use gimp. joshcryer Jan 2012 #56

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Actually, if you want to take it that far, Occulus Jan 2012 #100

I didn't say steal it, I merely told the OP bitchkitty Jan 2012 #67

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Not with a dual monitor setup. GIMP was doing stuff that Photoshop... joshcryer Jan 2012 #159

Whatever. bitchkitty Jan 2012 #197

Good point on two scores. Their is plenty of good freeware/shareware out their. wandy Jan 2012 #98

Now, go to Top Downloads and note the most downloaded software (see: all piracy releated in top 5): joshcryer Jan 2012 #160

Hay now, I wasn't making any moral judjments here....... wandy Jan 2012 #195

FYI - musicians have always made their money through touring and merchandising. Edweird Jan 2012 #44

Except for a minority during a limited period who made it by selling recordings. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #47

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yeah that's true limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #180

If you are signed to a major label the odds of you ever seeing a dime from unit sales Edweird Jan 2012 #185

Acquiring "intellectual property" by copying it is almost older than dirt. baldguy Jan 2012 #51

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But nobody argued that the original owners were being deprived of their rightful property, either. baldguy Jan 2012 #75

it's a reality. not a matter of opinion. it's a little problem if they're not stealing your stuff. spanone Jan 2012 #59

Translation: I can justify stealing so I can have free shit. joeglow3 Jan 2012 #60

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+1 n/t tammywammy Jan 2012 #85

+1000 I am amazed how many people on DU justify stealing music and videos. Logical Jan 2012 #96

That's an inaccurate translation. The post did not justify stealing. limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #181

Music sharing doesn't hurt the artists. I realize that doesn't fit your 'wagging finger' narrative Edweird Jan 2012 #189

More people justify stealing so they can have free shit, than you think, though... Hippo_Tron Jan 2012 #191

I think probably yes. redqueen Jan 2012 #65

Piracy? You mean like the corporations who overcharge for services and products... fascisthunter Jan 2012 #76

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no, you haven't... and until you do, this crap will continue fascisthunter Jan 2012 #83

Artists and free expressionists are being hurt. Not just mega corporations. Zax2me Jan 2012 #86

I completely agree with you frazzled Jan 2012 #97

We're in a period of glacial change. randome Jan 2012 #102

Theirs allways makeing a copy for the joy of makeing a copy. wandy Jan 2012 #121

You're only old if you think you are! randome Jan 2012 #123

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They sure picked a good label for it. ronnie624 Jan 2012 #87

One of the worst uninformed posts I have ever read. Not even worth countering. Logical Jan 2012 #95

One of the most powerful rebuttals ever made. It needs no elaboration! JackRiddler Jan 2012 #103

Bioshock. Occulus Jan 2012 #105

It's a serious problem if you are the one whose IP is being stolen. gulliver Jan 2012 #116

Only to the 1%ers. I think its a fair trade off vs. guilotines. n/t Joe Shlabotnik Jan 2012 #117

I'm dumbfounded by the people who will actually BUY bootleg video of a movie shot with a cellphone. alphafemale Jan 2012 #119

+1 Right with you on this one. wandy Jan 2012 #122

A lot of that is people who saw the movie at the theatre TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #136

Aaaarrrgh! Swing 'em from the nearest yaaardarm! Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2012 #120

right. Raffi Ella Jan 2012 #135

I'm with you Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #137

Many people don't like to think of themselves as thieves, but many of them are theives. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #138

Does downloading something make you a thief? randome Jan 2012 #139

Tell that to hundreds of my collegues laid off taught_me_patience Jan 2012 #145

what industry is that? limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #146

I work in the home video department of a major studio. n/t taught_me_patience Jan 2012 #182

My dear captian limpyhobbler; thank you for opening this lovley can of worms... wandy Jan 2012 #148

RFS 9: Kill Hollywood Mosaic Jan 2012 #163

I didn't know piracy was illegal until much later. Neoma Jan 2012 #178

They used to, see Kazaa, Napster. It's just that there are free speech implications to... joshcryer Jan 2012 #183

I kind of meant the people... Neoma Jan 2012 #184

No, it isn't Aerows Jan 2012 #187

Agreed slay Jan 2012 #190

If I could make diamonds at home in my kitchen, De Beers would be shitting bricks... hunter Jan 2012 #196