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Tue Dec 11, 2012, 01:08 AM

Approximately how many deaths by gun per day is acceptable in a free society? [View all]

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I was inspired by Jon Stewart to pose this question to the group, because he brought up an interesting point tonight. Nowadays, people in the public sphere who want to simply talk about gun violence in this country are often shouted down by the pro-gun freedom opposition--it's not the right time, it's not the right place. Democrats won't bring the issue up, because they know it's politically dangerous to do so. The NRA have become experts at preemptively striking every time there's any sort of gun-related tragedy in the news, by making people who broach the subject into the villains for exploiting a tragedy for personal gain. And Republicans, of course, depend on the NRA for political support. So, at least in public, the people who COULD have an effect on gun violence are doing nothing about it: political people on the left don't want to alienate anybody, and political people on the right only bring it up to talk about how there really isn't a problem--and if there is, it has nothing to do with guns.

So I guess there maybe ISN'T a gun problem, right? I mean, that's the message I'm getting from the national public silence on the issue of gun control. If there's no dialogue, there must be nothing to talk about, other than partisan bickering and points-scoring.

Which would mean, the current rate of 9 gun deaths per 100,000 people per year is OK, right? Acceptable losses. It's the price of being a free country with freedom-enabling gun laws. I mean, these are tragedies, but whatever--you can't make an omelette without breaking a few 28,000-odd eggs every 12 months. And when compared to other countries, that per capita per year body count puts us in between famously crime-ridden South Africa and politically volatile Montenegro. Canada, France, Israel, Australia, Poland, and Japan are all way below. True, Brazil is worse, but we actually have them beat when you look only at accidental deaths, ie, no "bad guys" involved.

(BTW I'm getting these numbers from www.gunpolicy.org, which is not based in America and claims to provide "evidence-based, country-by-country intelligence from a broad range of official and academic sources." They say they're non-biased. I have no evidence to say yea or nay on this, but the numbers sound right.)

I know there are many here who are proud, responsible gun-owners who support the 2nd amendment--and then there are plenty who are neither. And I want to tell everyone right now--I don't have any answers. I don't know guns or gun laws at all. What I want to talk about, and I want to phrase in a way I haven't often heard it said before: is that statistic acceptable, i.e. "normal?" Or can we, and should we do better?

My opinion is we can and we should. Most Americans believe this country is always capable of doing better. And that means our country as a whole should talk about bringing those statistics down. Everywhere. NOW.

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