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dmallind

(10,437 posts)
83. You assume a false dichotomy
Mon Dec 10, 2012, 06:40 PM
Dec 2012

In that you can either a) feel guilty about being fat or b) feel proud of being fat. In reality it's not only possible but the most healthy and mature option to be neither of the above.

The issue here is the societal context or loading of the term. US society typically uses "fat" as a pejorative. Whether I think being fat is wrong (I don't) is irrelevant to the fact that the majority of the people, mindless gullible consumers of the shallow Hollywood image that they are for the most part, do think so, and use the term for those who fail to follow the herd. There are few people indeed who use the term in a neutral or positive way, so it is an insult independent of my personal opinion of weight (which, FWIW, is that it is no more indicative of personal value or character attributes than eye color. But until "green eyed" is a common value for X in the sentence "stupid X white suburbanites", as "fat" is now, my opinion is not the one that determines which meaningless characteristic is insulting).

Diners Called 'Fat Girls' On Check [View all] apples and oranges Dec 2012 OP
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #1
"rude" is if people stare overlong at them... PCIntern Dec 2012 #2
Ouch Fla_Democrat Dec 2012 #3
I just watched the video. The restaurant is 21 and up only. slackmaster Dec 2012 #13
"Accurate?" Who the hell cares if it was "accurate?" dballance Dec 2012 #32
What in the world?!?? alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #64
Agree with you 100%. Employees should be happy that they have customers come in to their southernyankeebelle Dec 2012 #79
I don't agree with the "fat girls" thing Confusious Dec 2012 #114
I never said people are overweight due to restaurant's large portions - Don't call my opinion stupid dballance Dec 2012 #128
Now you go from blaming restaurants to blaming parents. former9thward Dec 2012 #137
Misdirection Central. Where did I blame parents? dballance Dec 2012 #150
A. I didn't call YOU stupid Confusious Dec 2012 #140
Well There You go Again dballance Dec 2012 #146
So I guess you didn't write: Confusious Dec 2012 #160
On your bill they wrote Douchebag. trumad Dec 2012 #51
So you think that being fat is equivalent to being a douchebag? FarCenter Dec 2012 #57
Worse -- you can lose weight obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #62
+1 n/t Agschmid Dec 2012 #104
I always liked that bumpersticker treestar Dec 2012 #109
I prefer the original quote from Winston Churchill mythology Dec 2012 #165
Ba da bing. yardwork Dec 2012 #148
*snort* ohheckyeah Dec 2012 #168
At Mon Dec 10, 2012, 06:18 PM an alert was sent on the following post: Guy Whitey Corngood Dec 2012 #121
I think I love juror #4. nt msanthrope Dec 2012 #130
What, no love for # 2? :-P nt Guy Whitey Corngood Dec 2012 #134
If it walks like a duck...well... trumad Dec 2012 #143
The way things are going around here I thought it was going to be because Bake Dec 2012 #189
Disgusting condoning of unacceptable and discriminatory behavior by the restaurant. blueclown Dec 2012 #55
Unacceptable? Yea Confusious Dec 2012 #115
No? quakerboy Dec 2012 #149
You said it yourself Confusious Dec 2012 #158
The action was writing that down quakerboy Dec 2012 #173
The act of writing a a bad name Confusious Dec 2012 #187
So someones stature makes them equal to a "shit customer"? quakerboy Dec 2012 #196
Well that's good Confusious Dec 2012 #197
Unless it's something that's been tolerated more than once by the restaurant mythology Dec 2012 #191
I was talking about DU's reaction to this... blueclown Dec 2012 #193
(Huerta) was like... And I was like ... She was like... progressoid Dec 2012 #4
THAT's what he should have put on the bill Union Scribe Dec 2012 #20
I was thinking "valley girls" Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2012 #31
So, were they? zappaman Dec 2012 #5
If they were, do you think they didn't already know it? Warpy Dec 2012 #6
Not ok. zappaman Dec 2012 #7
It was unlikely that anyone found it "necessary to bully them" jberryhill Dec 2012 #78
If I were 'Jeff' and wanted a tip...I would distingish them by "3 pretty ladies".. angstlessk Dec 2012 #105
What specifically leads you to believe that one scenario is unlikely LanternWaste Dec 2012 #116
probably because of where it was on the bill arely staircase Dec 2012 #126
Post hoc ergo prompter hoc. LanternWaste Dec 2012 #144
it validates, or is at least consistent, with the first arely staircase Dec 2012 #163
Post hoc ergo 'propter' hoc? Sorry (I was confused). But agree w/your point anneboleyn Dec 2012 #167
Because it strikes me as a simple act of unenlightened stupidity jberryhill Dec 2012 #155
I generally thought that "table 3" was sufficient. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #156
There was a story just like this a few months ago jberryhill Dec 2012 #159
There have been a couple of these incidents in recent months mythology Dec 2012 #194
It's the internet effect jberryhill Dec 2012 #195
Why do you want to know? n/t pnwmom Dec 2012 #9
Curious. n/t zappaman Dec 2012 #11
i want to know what the guy who did it looks like JI7 Dec 2012 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Dec 2012 #37
Why? Would that make it okay? Iggo Dec 2012 #39
see post #7 n/t zappaman Dec 2012 #45
And that matters how to a decent society? dballance Dec 2012 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Dec 2012 #82
Thanks! /eom dballance Dec 2012 #111
Dumb management! Why would they come back just to get an apology? tblue Dec 2012 #8
good for them for speaking out Enrique Dec 2012 #10
Restaurant owners/bosses need to remind their servers that tables are NUMBERED SoCalDem Dec 2012 #12
I know! RiffRandell Dec 2012 #141
This ^ kiva Dec 2012 #142
On Yelp people are defending "Jeff" and calling the complainers "liberals" tblue Dec 2012 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Nye Bevan Dec 2012 #15
And if I were to say "that's the most fucking insane thing I've heard today" REP Dec 2012 #16
I love you for this, REP. smokey nj Dec 2012 #17
REP is my straight girl crush for a reason obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #63
REP's a good egg! smokey nj Dec 2012 #87
+1 obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #89
+1 pintobean Dec 2012 #99
Certainly, if I were labeled as "Bordlerline Psychotic/Schizophrenic" on a restaurant check, Nye Bevan Dec 2012 #18
The use of "was," instead of the subjunctive ... REP Dec 2012 #19
God, I am so embarrassed. Edited to fix. Thanks. (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2012 #22
Oh. I thought it had happened ... misunderstood your intent. REP Dec 2012 #41
The check made no comment on their behavior, it was their physical appearance that was referenced. 11 Bravo Dec 2012 #34
What if they're labeling you... Iggo Dec 2012 #46
I imagine many people took "Dr." Frist's diagnosis as valid, also. LanternWaste Dec 2012 #56
What behavior did these women exhibit? obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #65
And if it said wrinkled, old ladies they would go to the plastic surgeon? nt bigbrother05 Dec 2012 #23
When I am that age I will wear my wrinkles with pride (nt). Nye Bevan Dec 2012 #25
How libertarian of you. UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #24
That may be okay in the UK pintobean Dec 2012 #28
"That may be okay in the UK" marmar Dec 2012 #33
'Bevan' alas is a Welsh name ... REP Dec 2012 #44
Aneurin "Nye" Bevan geardaddy Dec 2012 #77
It was in the poster's profile pintobean Dec 2012 #47
Oh, I see. Thanks for the clarification. marmar Dec 2012 #48
Interesting they took it out obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #67
I looked right before I posted that pintobean Dec 2012 #73
Definitely... onpatrol98 Dec 2012 #112
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Dec 2012 #30
Sorry, how is referring to something as "hurtful" the same as "endorsing it"? (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2012 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Dec 2012 #59
Here is the post you deleted, as you seem to have trouble remembering what you wrote mere hours ago: REP Dec 2012 #132
Because yeah, hurting people is the best way to get them to take a good, hard look at themselves and Brickbat Dec 2012 #38
I did not "endorse it". I believe the word I used was "hurtful". Nye Bevan Dec 2012 #42
This seems to endorse it: REP Dec 2012 #52
You do know that the side effects of some drugs is weight gain right? riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #49
Thanks. jackbenimble Dec 2012 #170
I suggest the "server" be renamed for a few months Coyotl Dec 2012 #180
My intention was to express the hope that while this was a hurtful and regrettable incident, Nye Bevan Dec 2012 #61
We know nothing about their lifestyles. pintobean Dec 2012 #70
Point taken (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2012 #81
dal ati at balu geardaddy Dec 2012 #85
I was thinking REP Dec 2012 #124
"pen ôl" geardaddy Dec 2012 #186
How do you know they aren't pregnant? Being "fat" IS the "healthier lifestyle" riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #90
You showed your ass. You can't unshow it. forestpath Dec 2012 #117
Here is the post he deleted: REP Dec 2012 #122
2/3 of Americans are overweight Kalidurga Dec 2012 #21
what happened wouldn't be ok even if they just liked to eat a lot JI7 Dec 2012 #29
Yes that is true Kalidurga Dec 2012 #53
There are some real jackass-ish responses to this OP. marmar Dec 2012 #27
Well no tip for you DUMBASS TexasBushwhacker Dec 2012 #35
not only an asshole thing to write but also bad business liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #152
they offered 25 percent off and then 50 percent off the meal ? how fucked up is that JI7 Dec 2012 #36
I love that they are getting national attention for this Enrique Dec 2012 #40
The manager should have paid the bill and then fired Jeff on the spot. yellowcanine Dec 2012 #54
I agree. If I was that manager that's exactly what I would have done. slackmaster Dec 2012 #58
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #60
Certain descriptions are just fine. "Mustache" for example would be no problem, Nye Bevan Dec 2012 #66
"especially the ones who tend to place large orders" Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2012 #75
OK, point taken. I will edit accordingly. (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2012 #80
I can't imagine a $7.50 item and a single soda being "large" anywhere much better than Taco Bell nt dmallind Dec 2012 #92
Jeff? Enrique Dec 2012 #68
Or, they could simply refer to the table number. n/t demmiblue Dec 2012 #69
Why should any of those descriptions ... surrealAmerican Dec 2012 #74
Jayzus, disgusting assumptions. My sister's transplant meds are making her fat riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #76
You assume a false dichotomy dmallind Dec 2012 #83
and if you don't want to be called a fucking asshole.. frylock Dec 2012 #84
Yes, you are right. pintobean Dec 2012 #91
Yes. You are right. I don't mind being called that because sometimes it's accurate. Speck Tater Dec 2012 #120
You Can Put Your Righteous Indignation About Fat People Away HangOnKids Dec 2012 #162
That's some rather tortured logic to justify the inexcusable. marmar Dec 2012 #86
WTF?? loyalsister Dec 2012 #88
The other day, a 6 year old neighbor girl pintobean Dec 2012 #97
I don't know about that treestar Dec 2012 #110
This message was self-deleted by its author former-republican Dec 2012 #71
And the video is funny why? obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #93
The news reporter former-republican Dec 2012 #103
I don't see how the reporter was funny in the least obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #123
what's funny ? JI7 Dec 2012 #94
Watch the anchorman former-republican Dec 2012 #108
News people? Let's see how big this thread gets. TreasonousBastard Dec 2012 #139
Most people here have said what I would have said. Pretty damn shitty thing to do. BlueJazz Dec 2012 #72
These threads always bring out the really classy crowd. (nt) Posteritatis Dec 2012 #95
Don't they, though? GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #177
Holy SHIT. liberalmuse Dec 2012 #96
Back in the dark ages, before computers and automated receipts, I used to wait on tables. MADem Dec 2012 #98
They were losangeleslibker Dec 2012 #101
He talks though. losangeleslibker Dec 2012 #106
"Table 2" would have worked....if the tables had numbers. MADem Dec 2012 #153
This was a casino lounge jberryhill Dec 2012 #113
Well, I can solve that problem, easily! MADem Dec 2012 #151
Well too bad they didn't have you on staff jberryhill Dec 2012 #154
My waitering days were a half century ago, damn near! MADem Dec 2012 #166
+1 LWolf Dec 2012 #183
Just curious: Why does the ticket say "Fat Girls/1" and "Guests: 1" KansDem Dec 2012 #100
lazy waiter/bartender justabob Dec 2012 #119
Thanks! KansDem Dec 2012 #184
The explanation ticks me off. That is not how to keep the Bills strait. Lady Freedom Returns Dec 2012 #102
Bad business move treestar Dec 2012 #107
How can anyone here rationalize this? gollygee Dec 2012 #118
Who says they don't/didn't? Lady Freedom Returns Dec 2012 #129
I'm asking people here who think this is OK or funny gollygee Dec 2012 #131
I am 260 pounds so I am in their shoes in a way. Lady Freedom Returns Dec 2012 #133
I don't understand why you're disagreeing with me gollygee Dec 2012 #135
I think we are too. Lady Freedom Returns Dec 2012 #136
ROFL gollygee Dec 2012 #138
funny if people got these recepits DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #125
A pull down menu choice???? Kalidurga Dec 2012 #127
Lemme guess: The restaurant cannot print the table number so they had no choice muntrv Dec 2012 #145
some people are so clueless these days njcamden_25884 Dec 2012 #147
Definitely a dickhead move on the part of "Jeff". TheMadMonk Dec 2012 #157
I don't think it's understandable under any circumstances. n/t ohheckyeah Dec 2012 #169
So in your book patrons abusing servers is acceptable? TheMadMonk Dec 2012 #171
Of course not... ohheckyeah Dec 2012 #172
AND I have had it up to here with agenda blinded IDIOTS who can't or won't... TheMadMonk Dec 2012 #185
Why are you arguing about bad patrons ohheckyeah Dec 2012 #188
AND why are you DELIBERATELY MISREPRESENTING my words? TheMadMonk Dec 2012 #190
You said it was understandable... ohheckyeah Dec 2012 #192
How about this? From now on when Jeff goes out to eat his receipts are labeled "bigot". alp227 Dec 2012 #161
Lets see a pic of "Jeff" please. flvegan Dec 2012 #164
If Jeff was working for me he would have to look at his pay check to see. aandegoons Dec 2012 #174
I'd have paid with small bills and as much change as I had on hand--no tip n/t eridani Dec 2012 #175
A dumb business move liberal N proud Dec 2012 #176
Obviously the server wasn't thinking. In_The_Wind Dec 2012 #178
SAD Mr Dixon Dec 2012 #179
If it said 'Fat Boys' RandiFan1290 Dec 2012 #181
Females being overweight is an unforgiveable sin in our society. raccoon Dec 2012 #182
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