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exactly! eom ellenfl Dec 2012 #1
Privatization - or how my sister became a Democrat. SharonAnn Dec 2012 #63
they're getting sneakier... Locrian Dec 2012 #142
From today's Thom Hartmann radio show: "Is public education going the way of public housing?" alp227 Dec 2012 #132
There have been many studies showing public services can be provided more effectively and jody Dec 2012 #2
there have been many more studies showing the opposite. and there is the evidence of our own HiPointDem Dec 2012 #5
Please cite a study supporting your assertion re "military contracting systems being exhibit A." nt jody Dec 2012 #9
Are the companies being awarded contracts Lars39 Dec 2012 #13
Please clarify your question. nt jody Dec 2012 #20
Please answer the question. Lars39 Dec 2012 #21
LOL have a great day. nt jody Dec 2012 #24
A lack of decent affordable healthcare and pensions Lars39 Dec 2012 #39
Here's the list of the federal contractors' number of fraud convictions Overseas Dec 2012 #150
Thanks. This thread is about service contracts. There were perhaps a dozen Poor Contract jody Dec 2012 #151
The privatization of military services has been a failure in terms of cost and quality. Overseas Dec 2012 #152
Yes but service contracts on permanent military sites have been successful. nt jody Dec 2012 #153
Are you familiar with performance based service contracts used by the federal government? The name jody Dec 2012 #15
are you familiar with 'no-bid' contracts? black budgets? HiPointDem Dec 2012 #35
Yes intimately familiar. nt jody Dec 2012 #68
The problem with privatization is that you are dealing with corporations. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #42
Please read A-76 and tell me where it is wrong. nt jody Dec 2012 #69
Education is neither a product nor a service, but is properly termed a social imperative. Occulus Dec 2012 #57
Sorry but in terms of contracts the accepted terms are either product or service. nt jody Dec 2012 #71
Ring! Ring! Ring! Occulus Dec 2012 #80
I've noticed that this particular cat doesn't like being belled. GoneOffShore Dec 2012 #77
Yes but can you cite studies that prove the cat doesn't like to be belled? And if you can, then Squinch Dec 2012 #127
Excellent! But GoneOffShore Dec 2012 #136
It's TROLL CAT!!! Squinch Dec 2012 #148
Carter was a neo-liberal. This was widely known. His failed policies led to the election of Reagan. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #11
That neo-Liberalism has caught on with Republicans. Baitball Blogger Dec 2012 #41
Charter schools don't have to provide busing or special ed gollygee Dec 2012 #14
I've read several state's laws for charter schools. IMO it's up to the state to declare what a jody Dec 2012 #17
There is a pattern of privatization gollygee Dec 2012 #19
Then you oppose the Presidents policies to contract out services under Circular A-76. jody Dec 2012 #22
I am opposed to any neo-liberal privatization schemes. nt gollygee Dec 2012 #23
Are you unable to say you oppose Obama's policies under A-76? A simple yes or no is easy. nt jody Dec 2012 #26
I haven't read that and I have no intention to gollygee Dec 2012 #27
You don't know what I like or dislike. I do dislike ignorance and like facts. nt jody Dec 2012 #29
It's my understanding that defense contractors are exempted duhneece Dec 2012 #30
"defense contractors are exempted" from what? Please explain. nt jody Dec 2012 #31
Defense contractors have no-bid, cost-plus contracts to supply meals, security, other duhneece Dec 2012 #32
Agree but contracts for services at permanent bases do not have those problems. nt jody Dec 2012 #62
I used to write grants including grants for public money. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #75
You and several million other people can claim they wrote grants. You do know that grants have jody Dec 2012 #97
Quite a few changes resulted from the A-76 fuckup at Walter Reed Major Nikon Dec 2012 #46
I never said A-76 is a panacea. I pointed out it's a president's policy for "privatization" that the jody Dec 2012 #101
I appears as if you are suggesting that anyone who opposes A-76, opposes Obama Major Nikon Dec 2012 #115
I believe Obama wants to revise A-76 has have previous presidents. He's also being pressured by the jody Dec 2012 #119
Not just Obama, and that is exactly what is happening right now Major Nikon Dec 2012 #123
From my experience the problem is not the policies in A-76 nor the FAR & DAR. It's the people who jody Dec 2012 #129
Yes. I oppose many things that the Obama administration does. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #44
While it may be true the OMB circulars are technically presidents' policies... Major Nikon Dec 2012 #55
Sorry but you are wrong. There are thousands of service contracts that function very effectively and jody Dec 2012 #67
That has nothing to do with what I posted Major Nikon Dec 2012 #70
Your following statement is wrong. jody Dec 2012 #72
Just because you don't agree, doesn't mean I'm wrong Major Nikon Dec 2012 #73
The Poster In Question Thinks Anyone Who Disagrees Is Wrong HangOnKids Dec 2012 #82
A case of investing too heavily in one's own bullshit? Major Nikon Dec 2012 #83
Well you do have a POINT! n/t HangOnKids Dec 2012 #85
I wasn't the first to come up with the concept, unfortunately Major Nikon Dec 2012 #86
With few exceptions, necessary public services should not be privatized duhneece Dec 2012 #25
Then you oppose presidents' policies under A-76? See other posts in this thread for the circular. nt jody Dec 2012 #28
Fact is, after decades of privatization favored more by Republicans than Democrats, JDPriestly Dec 2012 #34
+1,000 to what you said! freshwest Dec 2012 #40
You need to study the issue more thoroughly before you reject contracting out. The issue is much to jody Dec 2012 #64
I'm 69 and I read a lot of history. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #74
I've also read lots of history. Does the Democratic Party Platform oppose "privatizers" if they as a jody Dec 2012 #87
Not if we have the very corporations that profit from these contracts are running our JDPriestly Dec 2012 #109
Who is defending corporations? Not I! nt jody Dec 2012 #111
Republican. Occulus Dec 2012 #50
and which public services Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2012 #51
You're not going to get an answer if the earlier part of this discussion is any indicator. GoneOffShore Dec 2012 #59
Go to any military base and the odds are its morale, recreation, and welfare units are operated by jody Dec 2012 #66
But that fact, in and of itself, Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2012 #76
Federal contracts for services are supposed to meet acquisition regulations that focus on jody Dec 2012 #92
if by organic you mean, in this case, Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2012 #130
You Have Been To Military Bases jody? HangOnKids Dec 2012 #84
I've been to military bases. Have you? nt jody Dec 2012 #90
My Late Father Was A Flag Officer In The US Navy I Grew Up On Base HangOnKids Dec 2012 #91
OK but neither your experience nor mine has anything to do with the issue under discussion. Why did jody Dec 2012 #94
Oh It matters a great deal. Are you Military? Or Contractor? HangOnKids Dec 2012 #96
How does a Navy father and F-14 pilot give you even the most rudimentary knowledge of the FAR & DAR? jody Dec 2012 #106
You Have NO Idea What I Do For A Living HangOnKids Dec 2012 #107
You really have gotten in over your head haven't you because you don't know about FAR & DAR. nt jody Dec 2012 #110
Are you Civilian or Military jody? HangOnKids Dec 2012 #93
my dad was a civil servant and disabled vet newspeak Dec 2012 #146
Indeed! HangOnKids Dec 2012 #147
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Dec 2012 #81
Well said - And do you need more butter for that? GoneOffShore Dec 2012 #88
Still Waiting On jody To Explain His Expertise On Military Functioning HangOnKids Dec 2012 #98
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Dec 2012 #99
Thank You HangOnKids Dec 2012 #100
Scoot over. geardaddy Dec 2012 #102
K&R forestpath Dec 2012 #112
No, there aren't. What there is, is an often repeated lie that pubic services are provided more Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #135
I did not say the presidential policy at the link proved anything. I said "One obvious set of jody Dec 2012 #139
The proposition that private is better than public is still a lie. And you are the one that is Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #143
Only someone who is uninformed on the issue would allege a "lie". Have a great day and goodbye. nt jody Dec 2012 #144
IOW, you got nothing. 30+ posts with nary a fact. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #145
+100. I don't think the public always appreciates how much of the 'bad' is mandated from above. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #3
I had this figured out years ago RC Dec 2012 #4
some don't see it because they're not informed enough, having just heard the propaganda about HiPointDem Dec 2012 #7
And some don't see it because they think the school board knows what it is doing. RC Dec 2012 #60
that's just a subset of lack of information. most people have no idea what anyone who represents HiPointDem Dec 2012 #61
As Noam Chomsky said: marmar Dec 2012 #6
Chomsky is wrong for federal services contracted out under Circular A-76. nt jody Dec 2012 #10
In theory theory and practice are identical.. Fumesucker Dec 2012 #79
A-76 is no more theory than any other statement of policy published by the executive branch. The jody Dec 2012 #89
I'm of the opinion that policy should work effectively in the real world Fumesucker Dec 2012 #103
Agree and policies like A-76 have evolved over decades under Democrats and Republican presidents. jody Dec 2012 #108
Are you arguing that the one has nothing to do with the other? Fumesucker Dec 2012 #113
Re subject question, answer "no". The OP made a blanket condemnation of privatization and IMO that's jody Dec 2012 #114
Fed Ex and UPS packages are routed through the USPS system regularly Fumesucker Dec 2012 #116
I stated USPS Express Mail goes via FedEx. That's privatization pure and simple. I understand the jody Dec 2012 #118
I'm glad we see eye to eye on this matter Fumesucker Dec 2012 #120
I thought we did. Have a great evening. nt jody Dec 2012 #122
+ 1,000. Profit adds a layer of cost where there should be none in health, education and utilities. freshwest Dec 2012 #43
Another point: at least theoretically, the gov. is more directly answerable to voters. snot Dec 2012 #53
Thanks to Arne Duncan, the Sec of Ed, there are those who are now harvesting public assets. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #8
For real-life examples of privatization hell, look to NJ ProSense Dec 2012 #12
Thank you for those links! gollygee Dec 2012 #16
Totally agree abelenkpe Dec 2012 #18
I've even seen it in 'Behavioral Health Administration' duhneece Dec 2012 #33
If the Republicans/Corporate Overlords want to dismantle avebury Dec 2012 #36
yup, some things should not be driven by the profit motive quinnox Dec 2012 #37
that's why i call it "piratization". it's glorified looting of the treasury. unblock Dec 2012 #38
You know when I was a little girl and my daddy was in the military we lived on base. southernyankeebelle Dec 2012 #45
Excellent info, southernyahkeebelle. That's just another way we shortchange our troops nowadays :( We People Dec 2012 #117
The true distruction started under Reagan. He started with the union breakdown then letting southernyankeebelle Dec 2012 #121
I hope the democrats listen to this wake up call liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #47
Lots of Dems voted for Issa's Post Office destruction efforts in 2006. cyclezealot Dec 2012 #48
Word at the time was that it was a Hobson's choice Occulus Dec 2012 #95
There's a song that says the same when your bosses call you a "team" Bucky Dec 2012 #49
''Piratization'' Octafish Dec 2012 #52
piratization...niiiice! nashville_brook Dec 2012 #124
ENRON was getting ready to piratize H2O itself. Octafish Dec 2012 #125
If there were a way to hook us up to masks and meter the air we took in and let out each day gollygee Dec 2012 #126
As a Public Employee, RoccoR5955 Dec 2012 #54
I'd like to see more "deprivatization." hunter Dec 2012 #56
yes be scared, they did it with the private prisons. The contracts broke states of their tax money. Sunlei Dec 2012 #58
DURec leftstreet Dec 2012 #65
You've got it right despite some anti-government services cheerleaders here. GoneOffShore Dec 2012 #78
k&r Starry Messenger Dec 2012 #104
That's exactly what's happening in my school district. We're in fiscal caution now... truth2power Dec 2012 #105
K & R in a large way. Squinch Dec 2012 #128
Things that should NEVER be Privatized in a democracy: bvar22 Dec 2012 #131
Agreed, thank you! snot Dec 2012 #133
Yes, LWolf Dec 2012 #138
We need serious media blitz on the privatization steamroller that the one percent are driving woo me with science Dec 2012 #134
And another kick for this post - Privatization being slightly more important than an GoneOffShore Dec 2012 #137
The Shock Doctrine davidpdx Dec 2012 #140
See my signature gollygee Dec 2012 #141
K & R - An excellent outline of privatization that should be memorized by everyone. Raksha Dec 2012 #149
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