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strategery blunder

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58. And you believe such disagreements should be criminally prosecuted?
Mon Dec 10, 2012, 04:33 AM
Dec 2012

This is where the law is entirely too vague and can be used to turn legitimate disagreements between student and teacher into misdemeanor criminal justice cases.

EDIT TO ADD: And let's be honest here: not every student has the resources, or even believes s/he has the resources, to pursue "justice" when a teacher does some injurious act or omission. In my case, there was much I withheld from my parental unit because I did not believe said parental unit could afford to hire a lawyer to pursue justice over what happened. I did not believe my family could pay hundreds of dollars an hour to pursue the claim of "My PE teacher mocks me for my lack of aptitude in sports before the class," so I kept my mouth shut--when in fact that teacher probably was one of the ones who should be removed from the profession. And I sure as hell did not trust the school administration with such claims, either. Had this law been in effect in my state when I was a student, I could have been prosecuted for saying anything at all about it.

Make it a criminal offense/misdemeanor?... No. -..__... Dec 2012 #1
Couldn't have put it better myself AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #2
Do you have any idea how hard it would be to sue in such a case? marions ghost Dec 2012 #4
Even if the posting is factual and/or truthful? -..__... Dec 2012 #6
If it is factual marions ghost Dec 2012 #9
what about other public servants or just joe blow. should politicians also be protected loli phabay Dec 2012 #8
Public servants marions ghost Dec 2012 #10
i was saying should other public servants get the same protections and if not why not. loli phabay Dec 2012 #11
Mostly because they generally don't have contact with hordes of kids as part of their jobs, Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #29
And if they're poor? proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #13
Yeah... so what? -..__... Dec 2012 #44
Don't you know that it costs serious money marions ghost Dec 2012 #60
Good. Practical jokes kill, like they just did in the UK with the nurse. graham4anything Dec 2012 #3
+1. Words and pranks can ruin lives. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #34
Very proud of this, although I wish it was a heavier criminal charge obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #5
I'm not sure I am glad to see this. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #14
If a student created a fake porn profile for you obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #22
shouldnt the law extend to all people then that juveniles stalk. seems that everyone should have pr loli phabay Dec 2012 #27
People who work with minors deserve certain protections obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #30
Even for students over the age of 18? Occulus Dec 2012 #18
What a pleasant response -- giving me the middle finger obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #21
Students know this is wrong: marions ghost Dec 2012 #7
Then truth should be an absolute defense. strategery blunder Dec 2012 #12
So it's okay to bully teachers online if they are bad teachers? proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #15
i think the point was if they are a crap teacher then the students should be able to say that loli phabay Dec 2012 #17
So how does that apply with this new law? proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #20
one mans bullying and stalking is another mans truth loli phabay Dec 2012 #24
I guess I am assuming that is defined in this law proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #33
If someone says online "a teacher is crap" marions ghost Dec 2012 #61
There are perfectly competent teachers who are worn down iemitsu Dec 2012 #48
If the students are telling the truth, not as they see it, but actual, factual truth, Occulus Dec 2012 #19
From the OP: proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #23
Are names and employee photos "personal information"? Occulus Dec 2012 #32
Not if they're fake proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #36
"even if true" Occulus Dec 2012 #39
Yes proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #49
Absolutely marions ghost Dec 2012 #62
The problem, from your own post, highlighted for emphasis: strategery blunder Dec 2012 #47
Not being able to post "even true" things online about teachers iemitsu Dec 2012 #50
And you believe such disagreements should be criminally prosecuted? strategery blunder Dec 2012 #58
I certainly don't advocate any teacher mocking a student. iemitsu Dec 2012 #67
That's the problem--the law IS overly vague. strategery blunder Dec 2012 #70
I agree that students and their families iemitsu Dec 2012 #72
You just told me upthread you were against this law obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #26
So you think that means I support a student's right to bully a teacher online? proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #31
You have a strange idea of what bullying is. Occulus Dec 2012 #42
Again. From the OP: proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #43
Of course truth can be used to bully someone! tblue37 Dec 2012 #51
sure it is or at least can be dsc Dec 2012 #55
Using truth or lies to harass someone with is generally wrong. sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #59
I for one welcome our new pedagogic overlords Fumesucker Dec 2012 #16
I don't like it either. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #25
+1 n/t duffyduff Dec 2012 #28
I did not intend to imply that I thought such things were acceptable Fumesucker Dec 2012 #35
Oh I know that. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #38
Students can and will complain marions ghost Dec 2012 #63
If you can't foresee this law being abused to silence legitimate critics Fumesucker Dec 2012 #65
I really doubt it marions ghost Dec 2012 #66
Calling a teacher a bad teacher online is not a crime bluestateguy Dec 2012 #37
One would think falsely accusing another of a crime, particularly one so heinous, Occulus Dec 2012 #40
I can see where this law would be needed Terra Alta Dec 2012 #41
K&R Starry Messenger Dec 2012 #45
I am so SICK of both student and societal disrespect to teachers elfin Dec 2012 #46
I'm sick of being the whipping post too. iemitsu Dec 2012 #52
Interesting insight marions ghost Dec 2012 #64
My school was a thriving, inter-city, comprehensive high school iemitsu Dec 2012 #68
thanks for posting this marions ghost Dec 2012 #69
Yeah, I guess people do whatever they think they must for iemitsu Dec 2012 #71
Next thing you know, kids will be executed for TP'ing teachers' homes lbrtbell Dec 2012 #53
The phrasing has enough wiggle room enough to make misuse by authoritarians inevitable. LeftyMom Dec 2012 #54
i agree that criminalizing student speech is a bad precedent (unless the speech is within the HiPointDem Dec 2012 #56
Truth should always be a defense. JoeyT Dec 2012 #57
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