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Sun Dec 9, 2012, 12:57 PM

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I understand someone not liking Hillary.

What I don't understand it somebody disliking Hillary while liking Kerry, Biden, Obama... almost any national stage Democrat.

One would think, from the detractors, that Hillary had ever been more centrist or more hawkish than the Democratic Party.

She really is Snowball for some folks... as if loading all collective sins on Hillary's wagon will expiate the rest of us.

John Kerry votes for the Iraq War. "We" see our way past that in 2004. Then in 2008 some people who had worked 24/7 for Kerry announced that it was unthinkable that the Democratic Party could have a standard bearer that had voted for the war.

We have always voted against war with EastAsia.

It's not that the further-left should like Hillary. It is that there is no reason to dislike her more than one dislikes the Democratic Party itself. She has never held a position that was crazy by the standards of the Party.

There was a sad incident in 2008 that really told the story. Hillary voted for an amendment that urged the State Department to designate the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization. Barack Obama skipped the vote. The Obama folks said that Hilary's view on the Revolutionary Guard was disqualifying... outrageous, shocking. Barack Obama, however, explained to every news outlet that asked that he supported designating the IRG a terrorist organization.

The IRG policy was not exceptional. It was the safe place to be... love it or hate it, it was a mainstream position within the Party that Hillary and Obama both held.

But somehow by loading Hillary with "crimes against humanity" like Kerry's war vote, Obama's Iran policy, etc.. a fantasy world could be created where these things were not fairly typical Democratic Party positions.

Hell... it is widely held that Hillary's foreign policy is to the right of Obama's foreign policy despite the fact that she is his chosen SecState. Her policy is Obama's policy. But somehow if we pretend hard enough we can create a world where only Hillary will carry whatever collective guilt we feel there is to carry.

Snowball from Animal Farm.

I have no problem with somebody hating Hillary provided they are working to draft Bernie Sanders for 2016. I think the bulk of the Democratic Party are center-right stooges. Throw out a smart enough red and I'll support him out of cussedness. But to pretend that Hillary is, or has ever been, anything other than whatever the Democratic Party is seems weird, weird, weird.

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