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In reply to the discussion: Is male on male violence a feminist issue? [View all]La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)4. i tend to agree. i dont see people expecting the NAACP to care
about issues that effect only white women or white men.
The HRC is not actively involved in the struggles of straights marriages and rights
so, why the discrepancy when it comes to women's rights? Why the burden on women's group to not only champion not only for the lower status group but also the higher status group?
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Abortion rights are an issue for any woman, for the reasons you mention. Women get pregnant.
yardwork
Dec 2012
#31
The self-deleted post by dsc in essence says the same thing as Lumberjack Jeff's post downthread
yardwork
Dec 2012
#83
it's a terribly selfish world view- and beyond that- what are those two doing about violence against
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#91
It's possible that I'm misunderstanding them but it's difficult to converse with self-deleters.
yardwork
Dec 2012
#92
I'm not convinced these guys want to advocate against any kind of violence.....
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#116
I'm not- it follows that he thinks since *some* men like himself probably, care less about
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#78
we were explaining to YOU, that lesbians have greatly helped out their straight sisters, so wtf
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#80
Making an occasional comment on a message board is not "active involvement". nt
Bonobo
Dec 2012
#140
this is correct. And maybe some lazy piggybacking- expecting us to do the advocacy for them?
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#34
I wasn't trying to say feminists don't care about all violence, I was just saying
ZombieHorde
Dec 2012
#27
Well all violations isn't right no matter who is doing it. We all should care and
southernyankeebelle
Dec 2012
#13
but are all human issues feminist issues? like, global warming is a serious
La Lioness Priyanka
Dec 2012
#33
I agree with you. Let the men's rights' groups protest male on male violence.
MotherPetrie
Dec 2012
#26
I think that violence is a feminist issue because it is related to patriarchy.
yardwork
Dec 2012
#35
Those are positive by products of the successes of issues feminists work for.
boston bean
Dec 2012
#43
What I have always said is that feminism is humanism and you can't separate the two.
CTyankee
Dec 2012
#72
i am all for standing with men when they speak out about this. as a mama of two boys,
seabeyond
Dec 2012
#37
and that is why i do not buy into "all men are violent, in their DNA" the majority are not.
seabeyond
Dec 2012
#86
It seems like a lot of male on male violence is intended to put the victim in the female role.
LeftyMom
Dec 2012
#60
why do you think that male advocacy against violence is so unpopular and ineffective?
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#82
I asked why men aren't more frequently or effectively advocating against violence?
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#90
Are you criticizing feminism for focusing on violence perpetrated by men against women? nt
boston bean
Dec 2012
#101
You appear to be blaming women for men not doing enough about this? I hope I'm confused...
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#104
What a lazy excuse. Women hear the "what about men's" crap here all the time and it doesn't stop us!
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#190
Unlike you, the feminists are continuing a history of effective activism. They don't need "advice"
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#223
We don't have parity yet, but we're working on it! You shld take a lesson from feminists!
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#227
7% is less INaccurate than the rest of popular reporting on the issue.
lumberjack_jeff
Dec 2012
#241
You seem to be disregarding the many posts in this thread that say the opposite.
yardwork
Dec 2012
#89
If "breaking free of gender roles" means more men go to college, or more women dying in wars...
lumberjack_jeff
Dec 2012
#99
Of course not. The wellbeing of men isn't and shouldn't be feminism's problem.
lumberjack_jeff
Dec 2012
#111
Because feminist groups should be advocating for men's issues on equal par
boston bean
Dec 2012
#123
I advocate for the disabled. I don't pretend that I'm simultaneously advocating for everyone else.
lumberjack_jeff
Dec 2012
#132
feminists don't examine the patriarchy? LOL. they kind of invented that field of study!
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#229
bullshit. wouldnt be involved with a man that thought fighting was the answer. ever. i have spoken
seabeyond
Dec 2012
#159
All three posters who replied to this misread, intentionally or otherwise, what I said.
lumberjack_jeff
Dec 2012
#213
It most certainly IS a feminist issue. How boys and men define themselves through force is always
ancianita
Dec 2012
#98
excellent book, real boys. i bought it a decade ago to read. my then 8 yr old picked it up
seabeyond
Dec 2012
#160
No. Violence is the divider between genders. It IS part of the male identity construct.
ancianita
Dec 2012
#138
For indigenous peoples, women and the hearth were protected by the males, as they bore and
libdem4life
Dec 2012
#124
i didnt know this was about your thread. i didnt see this thread discussing m/f violence more than
seabeyond
Dec 2012
#161
i agree with you (which isn't to say that feminists don't care about such violence personally)
fishwax
Dec 2012
#152
No, because women can be isolated from the culture of violence and degredation
Romulox
Dec 2012
#167
i think a lot more men believe in feminist principles, than say you do
La Lioness Priyanka
Dec 2012
#199
There are some things that shouldn't be compartmentalized and violence is one of them
MrScorpio
Dec 2012
#201
"To say that women shouldn't express concern about male-on-male violence"
lumberjack_jeff
Dec 2012
#203
Thank you for illustrating the distinction between progressivism and feminism. n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Dec 2012
#216
or advocating for gay rights and progressivism, or advocating for climate change
La Lioness Priyanka
Dec 2012
#217
isn't that like saying distinction between progressivism and health care for all ?
JI7
Dec 2012
#230
I think feminism has and can do more against male vs male violence than men's rights groups.
Evoman
Dec 2012
#231
What is needed in that regard is a men's advocacy group without the RW politics and hate. n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Dec 2012
#235