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ProSense

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19. It seems that people
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 09:09 PM
Dec 2012

love to repeat baseless claims. Krugman's point

"Using the phrase, 'Dems will cave on Medicare; in a headline is a mere paraphrase of what Krugman is saying."

No he isn't. Krugman's point is not that "Dem will cave,' it's that the proposal is idiotic.

I’m going to cross my fingers and hope that this is just a case of creeping Broderism, that it’s a VSP fantasy about how we’re going to resolve this in a bipartisan way. Because if Obama really does make this deal, there will be hell to pay...Second, why on earth would Obama be selling Medicare away to raise top tax rates when he gets a big rate rise on January 1 just by doing nothing? And no, vague promises about closing loopholes won’t do it...So this looks crazy to me; it looks like a deal that makes no sense either substantively or in terms of the actual bargaining strength of the parties.

That's his point.

I hope that this is only a way to put pressure on Pres Obama and the Democrats and not a byeya Dec 2012 #1
Krugman's not reporting this. He's only repeating Klein's claims. n/t pnwmom Dec 2012 #56
If they do they are going to see the Occupy movement erupt everywhere and on steroids. Cleita Dec 2012 #2
Occupy movement? former-republican Dec 2012 #6
And why would he care? He's in for 4 more years. virgogal Dec 2012 #33
Abd the Republicans are scheduled to retake the White House in 2016 anyway... bvar22 Dec 2012 #61
I seriously can't understand why the President would do this? former-republican Dec 2012 #3
because he believes and wants the same thing as the republicans fascisthunter Dec 2012 #26
Wants it, pushes for it and WILL have it. SammyWinstonJack Dec 2012 #45
same thing his avid well off poster do fascisthunter Dec 2012 #50
I think we have to face it. Jakes Progress Dec 2012 #41
This is all starting to sound painfully senseandsensibility Dec 2012 #4
Yes it is newfie11 Dec 2012 #12
Unfortunately you are correct AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #66
it's naive to think a politician will do after the election what he crazyjoe Dec 2012 #5
Then he deserves no support on anything anymore former-republican Dec 2012 #10
If this is true, it is time to admit that there can be no relief using the electoral process. Vincardog Dec 2012 #7
Is it not amazing we vote people but we still have no idea where they stand on these limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #8
Krugman said no such thing: ProSense Dec 2012 #9
Trying reading the article. enlightenment Dec 2012 #13
I read the fucking article. ProSense Dec 2012 #15
For the record brentspeak Dec 2012 #20
"For the record" ProSense Dec 2012 #22
Folks like you have been making this prediction JoePhilly Dec 2012 #27
Irrelevant riposte. WinkyDink Dec 2012 #49
"Krugman, quotes Klein, who says...." just didn't have the same ring to it. Barack_America Dec 2012 #24
Split hairs much? markpkessinger Dec 2012 #16
It seems that people ProSense Dec 2012 #19
The proposal certainly is idiotic rudycantfail Dec 2012 #38
But he feels he has to 'cross his fingers' so he doesn't sound too certain does he? sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #63
Thanks for bringing some enlightenment to the Cha Dec 2012 #37
Now that's funny. Jakes Progress Dec 2012 #42
I'm with Krugman - fingers crossed that this is enlightenment Dec 2012 #11
The headline distorted this, since Krugman, as you say, pnwmom Dec 2012 #57
If that happens, I will have to leave DemocraticUnderground RomneyLies Dec 2012 #14
I don't think you have to be a Democrat to post here, just a progressive Samantha Dec 2012 #36
No gets us 39% on the wealthy. This is an insult to all working Americans. grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #17
not gonna happen elehhhhna Dec 2012 #18
I know it isn't your headline, but it is misleading and you should change it cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #21
Right rudycantfail Dec 2012 #39
If "hell to pay" means "media roundly applauds bipartisan compromise", Nye Bevan Dec 2012 #23
There are a LOT of Democrats, on record, calling for the same thing Oilwellian Dec 2012 #25
Thank you for your excellent work in exposing the sellouts and infiltrators woo me with science Dec 2012 #30
Thanks..! n/t KoKo Dec 2012 #44
You are absolutely right. The Third Way has the Big Lie posted on their website. They sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #65
Peeps, if dis comes down like da Krugmeister says, Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #28
dat be the truth-dat is dembotoz Dec 2012 #32
I'll be leaving the Democratic Party for good if a deal to raise Medicare eligibility age is coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #29
If this goes down decayincl Dec 2012 #58
While my threat\ultimatum still stands as posted, after I posted it, I realized coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #62
...then we'll be sold a bill of goods by fellow DU Democrats on why this compromise was necessary Earth_First Dec 2012 #31
If they do...bye-bye now... Swede Atlanta Dec 2012 #34
Bookmarking. Marr Dec 2012 #35
Interesting rudycantfail Dec 2012 #40
how reliable is this? nt brokechris Dec 2012 #43
Dumb second-hand speculation and douchebaggery jpak Dec 2012 #46
Yes. It is all heavy speculation. janx Dec 2012 #47
Since you're so certain that this not going to be what happens, how about backing it up with Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #52
I hope he's wrong.. sendero Dec 2012 #48
Even if we go back to the full tax rate on the rich they doc03 Dec 2012 #51
I think you are assuming that the parties want different things. n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #53
Krugman did not say they WILL cave democrattotheend Dec 2012 #54
Lions and Tigers and Bears, Oh My! virtualobserver Dec 2012 #55
The corporations are buying the Inaugural Coronation along with the next four years. libdem4life Dec 2012 #59
Man-up, Mr. President... shrdlu Dec 2012 #60
Last time Obama entertained the idea creeksneakers2 Dec 2012 #64
Ummmmm..... AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #67
Bingo! kentuck Dec 2012 #68
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