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Larkspur

(12,804 posts)
48. What about the women who falsely accused the Duke Lacrosse team of rape?
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 10:59 AM
Dec 2012

Our law says that the accused is innocent until proven guilty. If it followed the Napoleonic code, which states the opposite, we'd have a much higher incarceration rate then we do not, especially among minorities.

Rape is a violent crime, but it is a crime that needs evidence to support claims against the perpetrator because perpetrators are ASSUMED innocent until proven guilty. Accusations ARE NOT EVIDENCE.

There has been much progress in helping victims of rape over the last few decades to overcome the stigma and encourage them to bring charges against their attackers. There were support groups available to the women who accused individuals on the ND football team, but these women chose not to use the help available to them. That makes me, a woman, suspect their real intentions about their accusations. In Seeberg's case, she seemed to show signs of bipolar disorder. I have a friend who has a daughter who was diagnosed with bipolar disease. As long as she is on her meds, she's fine, but if she stops taking them she becomes suicidal. Because Seeberg killed herself, she could not be cross-examined to test the validity of her accusations.

The law must find out the truth, not coddle victims, who like the women in the Duke case brought false charges against innocent people. Those women also hurt real rape victims by their lies.

What Melinda should have written about, if she was really concerned about justice in college sexual assault cases, was the differences between how Duke and Notre Dame handled sexual assault accusations and have both schools improved their procedures on handling them or not. Maybe she should also have written about the support groups and if they have the resources to help sexual assault and rape victims. If they suffer from lack of resources, can the colleges do more to fund them? But she chose to continue impugning the reputation of the University of Notre Dame, the unnamed football player, whom she gave zero chance to defend himself, and the rest of the football team based largely on hearsay. That's shoddy writing.

Gee I remember when the University of Alabama allowed boosters to provide prostitutes for Larkspur Dec 2012 #1
You don't think ND would cover up a sexual assault? Are_grits_groceries Dec 2012 #2
Even if they tried to cover up any crime, they can't control everything Larkspur Dec 2012 #30
Please. Are_grits_groceries Dec 2012 #36
There cannot be rape convictions without charges. yellowcanine Dec 2012 #3
"Depression is a main cause of suicide" And how do you even know this young yellowcanine Dec 2012 #7
Maybe because that person is basing it on other articles and not joeybee12 Dec 2012 #9
I don't hate Notre Dame. I do hate cover ups of sexual assault. yellowcanine Dec 2012 #13
Yeah you do...this is one article of many... joeybee12 Dec 2012 #14
Of course you know me so you know better what I hate than what I do. yellowcanine Dec 2012 #20
Every article about ND isn't a hatchet job, Are_grits_groceries Dec 2012 #21
I have two favorite college football teams: The Univ. of Michigan Wolverines… MrScorpio Dec 2012 #4
Sour grapes from fans of second rate schools. joeybee12 Dec 2012 #5
Because of this ^^^^^ WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #6
I got into Holy Cross... joeybee12 Dec 2012 #8
Thanks for that.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2012 #23
Loved that link, Will! hifiguy Dec 2012 #28
Melinda Henneberger is a Notre Dame alum. Nice try. yellowcanine Dec 2012 #10
Nice to know you know absolutely nothing about due process... joeybee12 Dec 2012 #11
What part of "due process" is served by bad mouthing a suicide victim? yellowcanine Dec 2012 #15
"The President was not there." yellowcanine Dec 2012 #19
One more thing, the articles alleges there were texts... joeybee12 Dec 2012 #12
There was no court of law because there were no charges. Pathetic yourself. yellowcanine Dec 2012 #17
What about the women who falsely accused the Duke Lacrosse team of rape? Larkspur Dec 2012 #48
I'm a Notre Dame alumna and strongly disagree with her Larkspur Dec 2012 #40
She clearly researched both cases. It was not a shoddy hit piece. Name one incorrect statement in yellowcanine Dec 2012 #45
Yes it was a shoddy column. Larkspur Dec 2012 #47
But you still haven't named one incorrect statement. So how is it shoddy? yellowcanine Dec 2012 #50
Wow!! Arrogant much? Ishoutandscream2 Dec 2012 #16
See post #6. WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #18
Any Vanderbilt alums who happen by KamaAina Dec 2012 #33
I wish they would both lose ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2012 #22
Well one is going to win unless the game is cancelled. yellowcanine Dec 2012 #24
Notre Dame is no different.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2012 #25
Lou Holtz.....ancient history, though. yellowcanine Dec 2012 #26
I'm fully aware of that ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2012 #27
Yes, there is history but that doesn't mean a lot to the current team. yellowcanine Dec 2012 #29
Have we learned nothing from the Duke Lacrosse scandal? Larkspur Dec 2012 #31
And have we learned nothing from the Penn State Sandusky scandal? yellowcanine Dec 2012 #35
And there was no cover-up, and there was no rape. Larkspur Dec 2012 #39
The alleged rape was the second victim. Seeberg did not allege rape. You are obfuscating by yellowcanine Dec 2012 #44
No, I'm not obfuscating. Some shoddy writers call Seeberg's case rape because Larkspur Dec 2012 #49
"SOME shoddy writers" But not this writer (Melinda). So why bring it up here? yellowcanine Dec 2012 #51
I don't see much of a similarity between the two cases so far. pnwmom Dec 2012 #55
Here's another article on this incident... Larkspur Dec 2012 #32
Most of this does not address Melinda's allegations. yellowcanine Dec 2012 #34
Those issues were all addressed but ND haters want a scandal even if there isn't one Larkspur Dec 2012 #38
"Those issues were all addressed...." And why then are ND officials conducting a whispering yellowcanine Dec 2012 #43
What campaign against the women who died? Larkspur Dec 2012 #46
The one mentioned by Melinda from her personal experience. yellowcanine Dec 2012 #52
Oh, you mean that made-up campaign Larkspur Dec 2012 #53
Again with the assertions but not one example of an inaccurate statement in this particular column. yellowcanine Dec 2012 #54
Concerning cases of this sort ... radicalliberal Dec 2012 #56
WaPo writer *shocked* that big-time NCAA program covers up player crime... Blue_Tires Dec 2012 #37
Because school sports have been a sacred cow in this country for generations. radicalliberal Dec 2012 #57
It wasn't rape. It was investigated by the county prosecutor and no charges filed. Mr. Blue Sky Dec 2012 #41
There were two alleged victims. One was sexual assault. The other was rape. Why do ND boosters yellowcanine Dec 2012 #42
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