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99th_Monkey

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64. I trust Mr. Spitzer's expertise on this subject far more than I do yours
Thu Dec 6, 2012, 05:42 PM
Dec 2012

In short, I trust Mr. Spitzer's expertise on this subject far more than I do yours. Besides Eliot Spitzer,
this proposal is also supported by Nobel laureate James Tobin, as well as other prominent advocates,
including Ralph Nader. I don't pretend to know lots about how financial markets work, so I rely on
others I do trust to be more knowledgable than myself (and who's world-view I resonate with), to
explain in plain language how this stuff works, and how we might improve on it. You, I don't know
from Adam; and you are still flatly making assertions out of thin air, without providing any LINKS to
anyone else on the planet with a shred of credibility who agrees with you.

The part of my Wikipedia cut/past that you apparently missed was, the UK's "Stamp duty was
so successful that it continues to this day through a series of Stamp Acts." This is the same
Stamp Act that you claim has "been tried before (in UK) and it failed".

As near as I can tell, your counter-proposal would be regressive, in that it would be a flat per-
transaction fee, rather than being based on the value of the commodity. If you really think your idea
is unique & original, and has merit i.e. meaning that it would raise lots of much-needed new revenue,
in a way that is fair to small-time traders, I suggest -- rather than carping about how it's a "bad idea" --
that you email or twitter Mr. Spitzer with your suggestion, so we can improve further on his good work.

Beyond that, I suspect that we're not going to change each others minds much on this.

PS - my reference to a Federal Real Estate Transfer Tax is related to the Wiki information, where it
says ""Stamp duty land tax" (SDLT), a new transfer tax derived from stamp duty, was introduced for
land transactions from 1 December 2003."

Have to run, but K&R and more later, I hope. n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #1
It will help to stabilize and normalize the market. joeunderdog Dec 2012 #2
I like your enthusiasm but the ball is in our court. It's Wall Street that are saying rhett o rick Dec 2012 #5
Nailed it. russspeakeasy Dec 2012 #12
The market is stable over the long term. cbdo2007 Dec 2012 #37
This just absolutely needs to be done. And I invest in stocks. But it's just self evident. Squinch Dec 2012 #3
Wonder if the could do it via a state or local (NY) sales tax? LeftInTX Dec 2012 #4
Many trades are done automatically adieu Dec 2012 #11
So smart libodem Dec 2012 #6
I can't rec this enough dreamnightwind Dec 2012 #7
LMSP kicking...n/t littlemissmartypants Dec 2012 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author eugene jones Dec 2012 #10
it's a dumb idea Vox Populi Dec 2012 #13
"Eliot Spitzer ill-informed on financial markets" ???? Dude, what are you smoking? 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #16
huh? Vox Populi Dec 2012 #20
Fortunately, your opening assertion about Spitzer being "ill-informed" 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #22
Vox Populi pwned. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2012 #29
**snap** I forgot to say "welcome to DU" 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #30
here's why it's a dumb idea Vox Populi Dec 2012 #34
I trust Mr. Spitzer's expertise on this subject far more than I do yours 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #64
Planned enforcement of the Stamp Act in America was met with a shrug. ieoeja Dec 2012 #45
The flat tax sulphurdunn Dec 2012 #23
Utterly absurd. Not one of your statements is even remotely true. n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #32
you sound like a low-information teabagger Vox Populi Dec 2012 #35
Was there something confusing about "Not one of your statements is even remotely true"? Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #56
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #58
You post is there for all to see and I quoted it directly. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #61
Your speculations are based on unsupported theory. bvar22 Dec 2012 #36
here's some facts Vox Populi Dec 2012 #38
Thank You for your Return Address!!!! bvar22 Dec 2012 #39
no, you don't Vox Populi Dec 2012 #40
Yes I do. Fair Game! bvar22 Dec 2012 #41
you don't make sense Vox Populi Dec 2012 #42
Admittedly, I was in error. bvar22 Dec 2012 #43
lol - are you some kind of conspiracy nut? Vox Populi Dec 2012 #44
2 Strawman Logical Fallacies in one post! bvar22 Dec 2012 #46
whatever Vox Populi Dec 2012 #47
You're "done" OK, bvar22 Dec 2012 #50
I agree with Vox Populi on his proposals. I also agree that the general attitude displayed AikidoSoul Dec 2012 #48
+1 Squinch Dec 2012 #52
thanks man Vox Populi Dec 2012 #54
Do you have any idea how many degrees and decades of experience you are poo-pooing Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #62
But if it were applied as described in the article, a fee for every $100 Squinch Dec 2012 #51
let me clarify Vox Populi Dec 2012 #55
So you are saying that it would be better to apply a fee on # of shares transacted than Squinch Dec 2012 #57
no - just that it has more chance of working Vox Populi Dec 2012 #59
Thanks! That does improve my understanding of this. And again, welcome. Squinch Dec 2012 #60
Bottomline ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #14
YES!!! This should be self-evident and obvious to anyone 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #15
Several Industrialized nations have such a tax; it's not hard to figure out. byeya Dec 2012 #17
I'd actually be more in favor of a tax hike on capital gains. 25% tax rate on gains over $100,000. Selatius Dec 2012 #18
No one is suggesting going back to previous years, when there was a difference in the tax owed.... northoftheborder Dec 2012 #24
I agree with you that rewarding longer term investments is a good idea AikidoSoul Dec 2012 #49
The market needs both to maintain liquidity, in my opinion. However... Selatius Dec 2012 #53
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Dec 2012 #19
Neat and simple idea, Grey Dec 2012 #21
First heard about this from some nice nurses, a short time back. Octafish Dec 2012 #25
K+R limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #26
Maybe he good get Sen. Warren to sponsor this and dae Dec 2012 #27
A tax on financial transactions is self-evident PufPuf23 Dec 2012 #28
Even a .25% across-the-board federal transaction tax would be sufficient. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #31
K&R. I wrote to my congresspeople saying that until this has been tried there is no reason at all to Overseas Dec 2012 #33
Meanwhile in Europe: EU Moves Ahead With Transaction Tax in Rejecting U.K. Changes pampango Dec 2012 #63
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