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In reply to the discussion: Why Hillary cannot and should not win in 2016 [View all]Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)12. Hillary lost for several reasons, one of which was her vote for the Iraq invasion.
She also lost because she ran an ineffective campaign.
With that said, if she is the nominee, I will wholeheartedly and ethusiastically support her.
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If this Brave New World you speak of will doom her in 2016...it should have doomed her in 2008
joeybee12
Dec 2012
#4
Are you denying that the Iraq War vote didn't play a major role in the reason why she didn't win?
blueclown
Dec 2012
#17
Well, of course. That is the case in any primary for any election in any year.
wyldwolf
Dec 2012
#138
I know the guy who writes that blog and he's pretty a pretty sharp character.
amandabeech
Dec 2012
#123
Hillary lost for several reasons, one of which was her vote for the Iraq invasion.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2012
#12
Like all politicians (Obama included) she told several lies during the campaign, a la being the
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2012
#34
Read carefully what I wrote. All politicians "exaggerate" if not lie. Maybe "lie" is too much,
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2012
#49
By ineffective campaign, he means the fact that she had no strategy for after Super Tuesday
Hippo_Tron
Dec 2012
#115
The president, then Senator Obama, was dishonest about mandates during the campaign.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2012
#36
The point is that he was adamantly opposed to mandates. Now he is adamantly for them.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2012
#45
Without her ridiculous vote for the Iraq War, there never would have been a Barack Obama. nt
aaaaaa5a
Dec 2012
#72
The blood is still drip, drip, dripping from her hands. No sentient human being will
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#136
Oh, FFS, as if Hillary is the only Dem capable of winning in 2016. Right
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#182
I don't believe that. Barack Obama's success was a result of his own merit, and a little luck.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2012
#180
Now see, I was preparing a long rebuttal to the OP but you did nicely in two lines.
wyldwolf
Dec 2012
#8
The final delegate count from Real Clear Politics was Obama -2229.5 and Clinton - 1896.5
RomneyLies
Dec 2012
#26
But Clinton padded her numbers at the end after Obama had already switched to GE mode.
ieoeja
Dec 2012
#43
then there was that Michigan, Florida and one other state... where it was agreed not to count them
Whisp
Dec 2012
#68
Not to mention, Pres. Obama will most likely endorse Hillary, guaranteeing her the nomination.
JaneyVee
Dec 2012
#64
It takes a Clinton To be a Bush. Last thing we need is another Dukakis like scenerio
graham4anything
Dec 2012
#10
If Hillary is going to run, I hope she has already been quietly talking to Axelrod and Plouffe
RomneyLies
Dec 2012
#29
is there a part of -THERE WILL BE A DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY IN 2016 -- that you don't understand? n/t
antigop
Dec 2012
#47
I don't like this kind of stuff. It's presumptious. Feels like we're being railroaded by partisans.
patrice
Dec 2012
#130
One don't like opinions on a political discussion board where people give opinions???
graham4anything
Dec 2012
#134
cut the "inevitability" meme. OK? People are sick of it. THERE WILL BE A 2016 PRIMARY. nt
antigop
Dec 2012
#32
Hillary Clinton has not earned anything. She has to ask for our votes. We make that decision
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2012
#52
That's crazy. The public wanted Hillary because they thought she was better than
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2012
#73
That is what I said. She would have won had it not been for President Obama entering the race
graham4anything
Dec 2012
#81
I agree about Andrew. And Let's Go Mets. They signed Wright for years. Now it's Dickey's turn
graham4anything
Dec 2012
#88
I can definitely see Roberts leaving the court if there is no conservative majority. n/t
RomneyLies
Dec 2012
#31
Hillary is highly respected and has a lot of support among rank and file Democrats.
yardwork
Dec 2012
#25
For cying out loud, Obama hasn't even started his second term yet. This is ridiculous. n/t
antigop
Dec 2012
#33
+1,000!!! I think I now understand why this is happening. Dividing Democrats!
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2012
#38
Yep! It's also designed to distract us from focusing on the battles that we need to fight
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2012
#56
Liberals are almost as likely to fall prey to Corporate Media narratives and memes as the cons.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2012
#85
if you mean unite around Hillary45 100% agree. BTW- I was most certainly NOT a fan in 2008.
graham4anything
Dec 2012
#71
we are NOT uniting around Hillary. We should unite around Pres. Obama right now.
antigop
Dec 2012
#93
The goal is to keep President Obama's agenda winning for decades to come,no retreat from it
graham4anything
Dec 2012
#100
is there a part of -THERE WILL BE A DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY IN 2016 -- that you don't understand? n/t
antigop
Dec 2012
#109
ah,yes, the same meme...she's the only one....it's hers. The Dems will decide who the nominee is
antigop
Dec 2012
#120
Thanks for you efforts with this! She's ONE good candidate. This is starting to look like a cult of
patrice
Dec 2012
#132
I was a fan of Dennis K., then John Edwards (*sigh*). I didn't come 'round to Obama until the very
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2012
#110
Actually, technically I don't think she has been sworn in as a Senator yet. nt
aaaaaa5a
Dec 2012
#82
I disagree with your second point. Obama has been the most vetted candidate and politician
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2012
#183
it's ridiculous..Obama hasn't even started his second term yet and this crap has already started. nt
antigop
Dec 2012
#48
Who are these "people" you speak of? The president is sitting on a very high approval rating.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2012
#142
Link or Lies. I'll go with the latter. Blacks and Hispanics stood in lines for hours upon hours.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2012
#178
you are absolutely right, but it is free speech, no matter what the bs content it contains
still_one
Dec 2012
#162
there are a lot of issues we need to focus on now -- Medicare, SS, budget, etc. n/t
antigop
Dec 2012
#170
She switched parties because her fellow Republicans were rude to her at the 1968 RNC.
ieoeja
Dec 2012
#54
Being the first random thought to pop out of one's head doesn't make it "reason number one"
Bucky
Dec 2012
#74
Fine. How about ... because she is a neo-lib founder of the DLC that took this country near ruin?
ieoeja
Dec 2012
#83
Is 2016 too soon to push for a progressive nominee for President? It has been 40 years after all.
Douglas Carpenter
Dec 2012
#63
I think the Clintons are hoping they can knock out other Dems before the primary starts.
aaaaaa5a
Dec 2012
#101
Hillary the Harpie ... that was the drum beat that was played out by both parties, in one way or the
libdem4life
Dec 2012
#86
We'll see IN 2016 who will win the primary. It's not a coronation, it's a primary. n/t
antigop
Dec 2012
#95
It's the 21st century..we need to back away from the "it's xxxxxx's "turn" mentalilty
SoCalDem
Dec 2012
#98
It's not hate. People just don't like the presumption. Don't like having a candidate
patrice
Dec 2012
#133
you really need to check history..the universal healthcare fight in this country started long before
antigop
Dec 2012
#147
I think 2016 will NOT be 2008 in many ways. Hillary always learns and improves.
Tigress DEM
Dec 2012
#127
absolutely, David. You have to wonder what the real agenda is here, don't you? n/t
antigop
Dec 2012
#148
The Howard Dean campaign was the first campaign to effectively use the internet...
Earth_First
Dec 2012
#140
I'm sorry, but if Hillary is the best Dem candidate for 2016, I'm voting for her....
OldDem2012
Dec 2012
#144