Tue Dec 4, 2012, 06:11 PM
HonEur12 (33 posts)
Why should I vote Democratic? [View all]
Hello. Let me start off by saying, no matter how inarticulate and ridiculous the following post may seem, this is a legitimate thread. I'm sure by the title many of you will jump on me and assume I'm "trolling" but if you give me the benefit of the doubt, read my entire post, I have faith that at least the majority of you will see that this is an honest question.
A little bit about me, it may sound like I'm bragging, or a resume, but just so you all know where I'm coming from. I'm a white male in my mid-20s. I grew up in a lower-middle class home (Annual income for both parents was <$50,000) I didn't have everything I wanted, but I never went hungry. PArents were divorced around my 19th birthday, my mom lives in an apartment with my sister (Who is a stripper, honestly I couldnt make this stuff up) and my dad lives in an apartment by himself. Both my parents are democrats. My mom's family were big Staten Island union Democrats and my dad's family are big Dixiecrats (and still, despite their racism, sexism, homophobia, etc vote Democrat every election) I wasn't very political, but around the age of 13 I started going to the gun range. I equated Democrats with gun banning sissies who didn't want to defend themselves. Again, not trolling, these are the thoughts of a 13 year old surrounded by NRA members. I had no concept of social welfare programs, national debt, defense spending, etc etc.
I did extremely well in school. So you can imagine the surprise when 3 weeks after high school graduation I joined the Marine Corps and went to Parris Island. It wasn't for college money, it wasn't because I hated my family life, none of that. I just wanted to serve my country.
After a deployment to Iraq and being sent all over the world (and being treated like dirt) I figured this just wasn't for me. What really put me over the edge was the Post 9/11 GI Bill. I won't elaborate on it here, but its probably the greatest thing to ever happen to our returning servicemen. Just to make a point, I make more money now going to college than I did as an E3 with less than 2 years on active duty.
Depending on who you talk to, you'd lump me into the "libertarian" or "neo con" or even "moderate" category. I work with my uncle and he blasts Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh all day long. 6 hours of hooplah. At first I was like "Wow, Agenda 21 looks dangerous". Now its like "Dude, does this guy know what he's talking about? He's just trying to get his ratings up!"
They both make the claim that if the other side just could see our point! They'd vote with us! They are just blind to what is really going on!
Well, that made me realize, I've never given the Democrats a chance. I've been convinced from the time I was a preteen through the present (Glenn Beck doesn't help this) that Democrats are America hating, white man hating people that want to declare "War on Christmas".
My girlfriend, a big time Obama supporter, huge liberal feminist (odd pairing, I know) is who, indirectly, made me make this thread. She kept saying I just needed to talk to more people. But her main issue is abortion, which, honestly, isn't even on my political radar. (Thats probably why we get along)
So I'm going to listen to you guys. I'm not trying to belittle or argue with any one of you at all. I swear. This isn't a trap, I'm not trying to get into a huge debate. I just want to see the other side's point of view. I'm going to list the issues I find most important to me, in order, and then list why I don't think the Democratic party is right for me. If I'm mistaken (which is very possible) then please correct me. I'll list them numerically to make commenting on them easier.
1. Guns and self defense - This is pretty much my "single issue voter" bumper sticker. I view the right to self defense (anywhere, not just at my house) as paramount to living in a free society. Why should I have to "flee" if someone is trying to rob or attack me while I'm minding my business out on a date? I say this as someone who has actually pulled (although not fired) his firearm on two attackers late at night. If I did not have my Glock that night, what might have happened? Now the two scumbags are in jail.
-What I see: Democrats support all of the amendments to the Bill of Rights except the 2nd. Why are they all so inherently sacred but the one that protects all of the rest is demonized? How many cases has the ACLU defended the right to free speech, freedom of religion in? What about the right to bear arms? There is quite a difference. The democrats want to ban assault weapons, but when large scale riots kick off (like they did in my city in 1996) a hunting rifle is not going to protect you like an "assault rifle" will. And lets be serious, who thinks if another assault weapons ban is signed that the gangsters and criminals with them in their posession right now are going to turn them in? I know I'll turn mine in, but I'll never commit a crime with them. And crime rates have gone down, especially with assault weapons, since the bans sunset in 1994 (its all over the internet). Crime rates have also gone down in state's that have implemented shall-issue concealed carry laws. It seems a little odd for "progressives" to go backwards and undue laws that reduce crime?
2. Taxes. I don't pay much in taxes, but one day I hope to earn enough where it matters. Why should we punish those who earn more? There should be a flat tax system. Speaking of the fiscal cliff, isn't this just the expiration of the Bush tax cuts? Why are all the Democrats that were opposed to the Bush Tax Cuts now opposed to the tax increases? We're just going back to the days of Clinton (which were good, economically) what's the big deal? Also, forgive me, this may be a little Glenn Beck speaking. (I can't get that point out of my head)
3. Race - Affirmative action seems detrimental to everything the US stands for. Sure, racism still exists. I get that. But the President of the United States is black. Are we really going to say that minorities can't succeed in America without special rules? Maybe its the military in me - but I believe in a meritocracy. Everyone is judged based on ability only. If you can't perform, you don't get the job. It doesn't matter what color you are. When you start setting quotas, you open up an entirely new can of worms. This is just how I see it guys, remember. I'm not instigating anything.
4. Sex - My girlfriend has opened my eyes a little bit to this, wage disparities especially. But I see the Democrats catering to women by giving them special treatment. Free birth control? Doesn't seem that free. The insurance companies are just going to make everyone pay for birth control now with their premium increases. That doesn't seem very fair.
5. Environmental protection - I think I agree with many democrats that the EPA has done good things for America. I couldn't even imagine what this country would look like without regulations on big businesses and laws against chemical spills. But it seems that some Democrats want to take that even further, like they want us to live in the jungle in wooden huts or something where the only thing burning is weed while we sit around and share communal food. I think capitalism has a vested interest in keeping the forests stocked with trees, because if we used all the trees for lumber then the sellers wouldn't be able to make anymore money. Am I wrong here? (Please, by all means, if I am tell me)
6. Healthcare - I heard this girl at school the other day say "Everyone has the right to healthcare". I would love everyone to have affordable healthcare for sure, but how can one have the "right" to anything that depends on the hard work and expense of others? Rights, in my view, are things that can never ever be taken away from you. Things like self defense, free speech, freedom of thought, etc. If all of the doctors refuse to give you treatment, or you're ill and there are no health care facilities around...how do you still have that right?
7. Fast and Furious - Seems to me the idea was to stir up cries for gun laws due to southern states being affected by Mexican drug cartels but it backfired when they lost track of all the guns. This is what Rush told me, anyway. (30 hours a week of Beck and Limbaugh, cut me some slack please!)
I can go on, but these are a few issues off of the top of my head. I just don't know what the reaction to this post is going to be and I don't want to spend hours and hours on it if its going to be deleted within minutes.
I really hope this thread isn't locked/deleted as "trolling". I'm spending a good amount of time on it and really trying to reiterate that I'm not here to stir up trouble. I just want to know what the Democratic party has to offer me. I see the Democrats making gestures to all of these groups, but nothing that really benefits me. I'm not saying the Republicans benefit me either. But they seem more gun-friendly than the Democrats, so thats how I make my decision.
As far as the 2012 election went, I was a bit perplexed. There was only one man on the ballot who had signed assault weapons legislation, and he had an (R) next to his name; one man had signed pro-gun legislation and he had a (D) next to his name. What kind of twist is that?
Edit: There's a ton of more issues I'll be posting here as I think of them. After reading here, the issue of
8: Drug use - Legalize everything. Why is it that they were able to figure out Prohibition didn't work in <20 years, but we've had drugs outlawed for over a century and no progress is made whatsoever? I say this as someone who has never, ever used and illegal drug, and despises them (I grew up with them, and know what they do to someone)
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