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In reply to the discussion: A bit about "potential rapists". [View all]geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)141. If you said excluding women from testicular cancer screenings was "sexism" in a room
full of intelligent adults, they would laugh at you.
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Awesome analysis. Wish I could rec this thread to the high heavens and hope
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#4
One could feel similar in the hood where I live when a person of color approaches them
The Straight Story
Dec 2012
#5
The stereotype of the thief being a lowlife black or white from a poor socio-economic
Rozlee
Dec 2012
#8
It's the crimes they want us to notice that they go after. Pay no attention to that man behind the
Dark n Stormy Knight
Dec 2012
#56
I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying it's MUCH less likely for a woman
geek tragedy
Dec 2012
#90
PTSD means that your reactions are not necessarily to the present stimulus, but perhaps an earlier
Romulox
Dec 2012
#64
I'm saying that you're taking his PTSD as evidence that everything he says he does...
Moonwalk
Dec 2012
#86
No. I am saying what is in my posts. I will not refute things I didn't say, like "delusional".
Romulox
Dec 2012
#88
YOU mentioned cyclists and salespeople as "threats" on a discussion about *rape*.
Romulox
Dec 2012
#105
You've been attacked by people on bikes, and salespeople? That's who you mentioned as threats.
Romulox
Dec 2012
#93
PTSD doesn't make every perceived threat imaginary, as I'm sure you know.
Dark n Stormy Knight
Dec 2012
#193
He mentions cyclists and salespeople as "threats" in question. I doubt his sincerity. nt
Romulox
Dec 2012
#194
No. I think I understand just what he means. If you can't understand it, consider yourself lucky.
Dark n Stormy Knight
Dec 2012
#195
when a strange man, woman or child approaches me I have no idea whether they are
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#13
well, if white people are more likely to be victims of white people, there you go!
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#30
Oh Jesus, poor oppressed men who whine because women have to live in fear of being raped.
geek tragedy
Dec 2012
#76
Are you really that stupid as to suggest its immoral discrimination to view men as more
geek tragedy
Dec 2012
#82
Well, you're acting like it's discrimination to acknowledge a fact known to every
geek tragedy
Dec 2012
#95
By definition, it is discrimination- "Recognize a distinction; differentiate." n/t
X_Digger
Dec 2012
#99
Arguing whether it's valid or invalid, justifiable or irrational- is another discussion.
X_Digger
Dec 2012
#107
It's good discrimination, based on facts. That makes the comparison to racial discrimination
geek tragedy
Dec 2012
#111
Viewing men as more likely to rape than women is not prejudice against men.
geek tragedy
Dec 2012
#123
Sexist? Sure. (discrimination based on gender) Prejudiced? No, because it's based on reason.
X_Digger
Dec 2012
#127
Oy, if you insist on making sexism a meaningless term, that's your choice.
geek tragedy
Dec 2012
#128
If you said excluding women from testicular cancer screenings was "sexism" in a room
geek tragedy
Dec 2012
#141
You do realize that treating men as more likely to rape is not based on their
geek tragedy
Dec 2012
#157
Sorry that you seem to have worked yourself into a corner, and can't get out without insults. n/t
X_Digger
Dec 2012
#160
I'll stick with my version of reality in which excluding women from testicular cancer
geek tragedy
Dec 2012
#163
in exactly what way are women harming men by being a little wary? a wee ego bruise?
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#52
Your argument is apples and oranges--or are you really going to tell me that a petite woman...
Moonwalk
Dec 2012
#80
It's not based on a Y chromosome--it's based on the actual ability and likelihood of that
geek tragedy
Dec 2012
#113
That wouldn't be an idiotic comparison if only dark-skinned persons were capable
geek tragedy
Dec 2012
#77
No, logical - it's more common with acquaintances because women let their guard down more with them
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#48
what is also toxic is when we SAY education for men ALSO, they HEAR we think they are all rapists...
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#136
I think ground rule #1 is that we all get to make *our own* arguments. I can't answer for others.
Romulox
Dec 2012
#137
I was explaining where the dialog goes wrong. Couldn't tell what part of that post you thought would
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#142
Let's have that conversation. It's needed. Let's allow room for EVERYONE to participate, though.
Romulox
Dec 2012
#146
It IS needed. The Shrodinger's rapist thing is not about the right strategy- it's about explaining
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#152
Yes!!! Exactly why I am saying more education is needed!!! Didn't say it's wisest strategy
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#132
But if this strategy is neither protecting people NOR emotionally satisfying NOR practical...
Romulox
Dec 2012
#135
It's marshaling support because we're put in a position of begging some men for forgiveness
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#138
Honestly, I don't understand your argument. I don't think we are going to have a
Romulox
Dec 2012
#140
I'm talking about how difficult it is to have this conversation with a lot of guys here, not about
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#147
rapists are more often acquaintances, and use social pressure or manipulation to get an "in"
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#50
Similar to the "empathy deficit" thread, in which the OP told half of DU that their feeling don't
Romulox
Dec 2012
#66
This pathological culture is not helping women. That's what you fail to see. NOBODY IS PROTECTED
Romulox
Dec 2012
#65
if I read you wrong I apologize. but the impact on men isn't our #1 concern, and it's a selfish
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#144
oh good lord yes, sooo many posts insisting unless you get the wording *perfect* and make sure
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#167
i call out the self centered ones who are most concerned about their hurt feelings
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#184
I'm not an expert on game theory, but expecting a good outcome, i.e., unknown male is not a rapist
TransitJohn
Dec 2012
#44
If you run that scenario every time you're around a man, eventually it will prove
geek tragedy
Dec 2012
#78
we're expected to be courteous to every single person that tries to threadjack or disrupt, too!
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#47
I had hoped you'd repost an earlier comment on this subject as an OP. You have done even better.
Dark n Stormy Knight
Dec 2012
#55
Unfortunately it's also (at least in that poster's context) an exhibition of 'stranger danger'.
AtheistCrusader
Dec 2012
#119
"recognize situations that make them vulnerable" means being alone with a man
geek tragedy
Dec 2012
#84
Should I assume (or at least consider) that a concealed gun *could* be pointed at me...
Silent3
Dec 2012
#89
OH FUCK THIS IS HILARIOUS. "ritual outpouring of emotion and agreement" HA HA HA
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#185
True, there's a lot of other bad behavior that ain't part of the statistics
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#196
Great to hear this! The prick who harassed me was an owner... it was a small and very dysfunctional
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#205
you should be proud! what blows my mind is this kind of thing was run of the mill forty years ago
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#207
If 25% of all men were gunshot victims, you'd have a point there. In the South Bronx it IS a valid
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#148
the point of the OP is to increase understanding and empathy for women by explaining a reality
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#155
I did, and you did too. LOL. Are you okay? Cause you seem to be hearing things that NO ONE SAID
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#177
You know, like most DU threads this has been both enlightening and disturbing to read
Hydra
Dec 2012
#171
Disturbing to see so many here angered by the idea of more education and advocacy. WTF, DU, WTFF!?!?
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#173
Great point- I think progressive men should take more of an interest in public education
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#186