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123. Viewing men as more likely to rape than women is not prejudice against men.
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 03:22 PM
Dec 2012

It's the same as acknowleding that men are more likely to get testicular cancer.

Nice analysis Xipe Totec Dec 2012 #1
+1,000 Fridays Child Dec 2012 #2
Great post. Thank you. n/t TDale313 Dec 2012 #3
Awesome analysis. Wish I could rec this thread to the high heavens and hope coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #4
One could feel similar in the hood where I live when a person of color approaches them The Straight Story Dec 2012 #5
Based on my experience I'd only worry about white people as far as theft goes gollygee Dec 2012 #7
The stereotype of the thief being a lowlife black or white from a poor socio-economic Rozlee Dec 2012 #8
That's true too gollygee Dec 2012 #9
It's the crimes they want us to notice that they go after. Pay no attention to that man behind the Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2012 #56
See posts 8, 22, 25, and redqueen Dec 2012 #36
Stupid analogy. Men are the only people who will rape a woman. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #75
This depends on whether you're talking about the population at large Rozlee Dec 2012 #87
I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying it's MUCH less likely for a woman geek tragedy Dec 2012 #90
I updated my post but you're right. Rozlee Dec 2012 #98
k&r Starry Messenger Dec 2012 #6
You can extend this without it being insulting even Hydra Dec 2012 #10
Wow. What a constrained mindset. Romulox Dec 2012 #16
Sounds more like snark Fumesucker Dec 2012 #24
No snark involved Hydra Dec 2012 #32
Yes, I do have PSTD, thanks for mentioning it Hydra Dec 2012 #31
Absolutely not. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2012 #57
Thank you for that~ Hydra Dec 2012 #67
PTSD means that your reactions are not necessarily to the present stimulus, but perhaps an earlier Romulox Dec 2012 #64
Just because you're paranoid and all that... Moonwalk Dec 2012 #70
He said he suffers from PTSD. That's what "PTSD" means. It's definitional. Romulox Dec 2012 #71
I'm saying that you're taking his PTSD as evidence that everything he says he does... Moonwalk Dec 2012 #86
No. I am saying what is in my posts. I will not refute things I didn't say, like "delusional". Romulox Dec 2012 #88
Oh, glad you finally got to the point Hydra Dec 2012 #103
YOU mentioned cyclists and salespeople as "threats" on a discussion about *rape*. Romulox Dec 2012 #105
Not my fault if you took what I said and decided to downplay/read into it Hydra Dec 2012 #108
PSTD is not much of a protection in my case Hydra Dec 2012 #85
You've been attacked by people on bikes, and salespeople? That's who you mentioned as threats. Romulox Dec 2012 #93
Why should I go into the more ugly stuff Hydra Dec 2012 #100
Honestly, I think fumesucker had it right. I should have listened. nt Romulox Dec 2012 #101
PTSD doesn't make every perceived threat imaginary, as I'm sure you know. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2012 #193
He mentions cyclists and salespeople as "threats" in question. I doubt his sincerity. nt Romulox Dec 2012 #194
No. I think I understand just what he means. If you can't understand it, consider yourself lucky. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2012 #195
Really? you think it's the same? Marrah_G Dec 2012 #197
I do, and I think it should be considered "due caution" rather than Hydra Dec 2012 #198
No not really Marrah_G Dec 2012 #199
Probably so Hydra Dec 2012 #200
The best way I can explain it is this: Marrah_G Dec 2012 #203
very well said SemperEadem Dec 2012 #11
so well put, I am very appreciative you took the time to write this. n/t Whisp Dec 2012 #12
when a strange man, woman or child approaches me I have no idea whether they are HiPointDem Dec 2012 #13
The slope is less slippery than you'd think. JoeyT Dec 2012 #28
well, if white people are more likely to be victims of white people, there you go! HiPointDem Dec 2012 #30
Oh Jesus, poor oppressed men who whine because women have to live in fear of being raped. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #76
psst: i'm a woman HiPointDem Dec 2012 #143
Interesting. SheilaT Dec 2012 #14
There's a nugget of cognitive dissonance that just can't be overcome.. X_Digger Dec 2012 #15
It isn't even difficult to overcome. JoeyT Dec 2012 #25
Umm.. wha huh? X_Digger Dec 2012 #29
Are you really that stupid as to suggest its immoral discrimination to view men as more geek tragedy Dec 2012 #82
I make no value judgement either way. X_Digger Dec 2012 #94
Well, you're acting like it's discrimination to acknowledge a fact known to every geek tragedy Dec 2012 #95
By definition, it is discrimination- "Recognize a distinction; differentiate." n/t X_Digger Dec 2012 #99
In the sense that hiring smart people to work at accounting firm geek tragedy Dec 2012 #102
Arguing whether it's valid or invalid, justifiable or irrational- is another discussion. X_Digger Dec 2012 #107
It's good discrimination, based on facts. That makes the comparison to racial discrimination geek tragedy Dec 2012 #111
"Good Discrimination"? Hrmm, okay. If you say so. n/t X_Digger Dec 2012 #114
Yes, because it's based not on prejudice but on actual operative facts. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #115
Again, you seem to want to attach moral judgement where none is intended. X_Digger Dec 2012 #117
You compared common sense distinctions between the sexes based on actual geek tragedy Dec 2012 #121
Hint: Look up the definitions. X_Digger Dec 2012 #122
Viewing men as more likely to rape than women is not prejudice against men. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #123
Who mentioned prejudice? X_Digger Dec 2012 #124
So it's sexist to exclude women from testicular cancer screenings? geek tragedy Dec 2012 #125
Sexist? Sure. (discrimination based on gender) Prejudiced? No, because it's based on reason. X_Digger Dec 2012 #127
Oy, if you insist on making sexism a meaningless term, that's your choice. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #128
I don't "make" the term anything.. it is what it is. n/t X_Digger Dec 2012 #130
If you said excluding women from testicular cancer screenings was "sexism" in a room geek tragedy Dec 2012 #141
Please continue to argue with a dictionary. I find it amusing. n/t X_Digger Dec 2012 #154
You do realize that treating men as more likely to rape is not based on their geek tragedy Dec 2012 #157
Restating your position doesn't change the conclusion. X_Digger Dec 2012 #158
No, it's discrimination based on probability of threat. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #159
Sorry that you seem to have worked yourself into a corner, and can't get out without insults. n/t X_Digger Dec 2012 #160
I'll stick with my version of reality in which excluding women from testicular cancer geek tragedy Dec 2012 #163
Again, you seem to be arguing with a dictionary. Feel free. n/t X_Digger Dec 2012 #164
No, because excluding women is done on the basis that they are not geek tragedy Dec 2012 #165
Let it go. He is amusing himself by yanking your leash. tblue37 Dec 2012 #208
It's obvous X-digger is here to quibble thucythucy Dec 2012 #161
in exactly what way are women harming men by being a little wary? a wee ego bruise? bettyellen Dec 2012 #52
Your argument is apples and oranges--or are you really going to tell me that a petite woman... Moonwalk Dec 2012 #80
That's a bit of a straw man.. X_Digger Dec 2012 #97
It's not based on a Y chromosome--it's based on the actual ability and likelihood of that geek tragedy Dec 2012 #113
How often do women get raped by women? obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #21
Bingo. MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #26
There are entire websites dedicated to this concept. NashvilleLefty Dec 2012 #42
yes, it's porn for wannabe rapists who get off on seeing rape performed. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #81
That wouldn't be an idiotic comparison if only dark-skinned persons were capable geek tragedy Dec 2012 #77
Crimes by light-skinned people are not a statistical aberration LanternWaste Dec 2012 #126
This is illogical, since a rapist is likely to be a person one knows... nt Romulox Dec 2012 #17
It's true that a rapist is likely to be someone a person knows, Chorophyll Dec 2012 #19
Totally logical -- many of us live it every day obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #22
No, logical - it's more common with acquaintances because women let their guard down more with them bettyellen Dec 2012 #48
Read what you posted again. It's not logical to focus on the minuscule threat Romulox Dec 2012 #63
Perceived threat A Little Weird Dec 2012 #91
Thanks for this post. Romulox Dec 2012 #92
what is also toxic is when we SAY education for men ALSO, they HEAR we think they are all rapists... bettyellen Dec 2012 #136
I think ground rule #1 is that we all get to make *our own* arguments. I can't answer for others. Romulox Dec 2012 #137
I was explaining where the dialog goes wrong. Couldn't tell what part of that post you thought would bettyellen Dec 2012 #142
Let's have that conversation. It's needed. Let's allow room for EVERYONE to participate, though. Romulox Dec 2012 #146
It IS needed. The Shrodinger's rapist thing is not about the right strategy- it's about explaining bettyellen Dec 2012 #152
Yes!!! Exactly why I am saying more education is needed!!! Didn't say it's wisest strategy bettyellen Dec 2012 #132
But if this strategy is neither protecting people NOR emotionally satisfying NOR practical... Romulox Dec 2012 #135
It's marshaling support because we're put in a position of begging some men for forgiveness bettyellen Dec 2012 #138
Honestly, I don't understand your argument. I don't think we are going to have a Romulox Dec 2012 #140
I'm talking about how difficult it is to have this conversation with a lot of guys here, not about bettyellen Dec 2012 #147
I am trying, though. It's *way* easier/safer not to comment. Romulox Dec 2012 #150
ha ha, Your trying is noted and appreciated. bettyellen Dec 2012 #153
So sensible and what a relief UtahLib Dec 2012 #18
k & r -- excellent post obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #20
Here is where this originated (I think) Major Nikon Dec 2012 #23
Quite an illuminating femrap Dec 2012 #33
I don't see anything wrong with it Major Nikon Dec 2012 #34
Thanks for that great link. nt raccoon Dec 2012 #59
Thanks for the link. hifiguy Dec 2012 #112
Very well said Warren Religion Dec 2012 #27
Outstanding. And those last two paragraphs... redqueen Dec 2012 #35
Wow. Thank you. liberalmuse Dec 2012 #37
Thank you so much etherealtruth Dec 2012 #38
Even if the potential of rape wasn't the main concern shawn703 Dec 2012 #39
rapists are more often acquaintances, and use social pressure or manipulation to get an "in" bettyellen Dec 2012 #50
E.g. tama Dec 2012 #53
Every older male could be a child molester unc70 Dec 2012 #40
instead of feeling sorry for yourself, how about some empathy for women? bettyellen Dec 2012 #49
MY HURT IS BIGGER THAN YOUR HURT tama Dec 2012 #54
Similar to the "empathy deficit" thread, in which the OP told half of DU that their feeling don't Romulox Dec 2012 #66
This pathological culture is not helping women. That's what you fail to see. NOBODY IS PROTECTED Romulox Dec 2012 #65
Thank you for telling me how I should feel unc70 Dec 2012 #69
if I read you wrong I apologize. but the impact on men isn't our #1 concern, and it's a selfish bettyellen Dec 2012 #144
Must have missed that half unc70 Dec 2012 #156
oh good lord yes, sooo many posts insisting unless you get the wording *perfect* and make sure bettyellen Dec 2012 #167
The more I read this, the less I think you understand unc70 Dec 2012 #182
i call out the self centered ones who are most concerned about their hurt feelings bettyellen Dec 2012 #184
Thank you for that. K&R D23MIURG23 Dec 2012 #41
You nailed it! Odin2005 Dec 2012 #43
I'm not an expert on game theory, but expecting a good outcome, i.e., unknown male is not a rapist TransitJohn Dec 2012 #44
It depends on the person. JoeyT Dec 2012 #45
Great post. The situation has everything to do with this topic. nt raccoon Dec 2012 #60
Excellent point! Moonwalk Dec 2012 #68
You're right in the weight Hydra Dec 2012 #106
Very well put gollygee Dec 2012 #134
If you run that scenario every time you're around a man, eventually it will prove geek tragedy Dec 2012 #78
Thank you. freshwest Dec 2012 #46
we're expected to be courteous to every single person that tries to threadjack or disrupt, too! bettyellen Dec 2012 #47
Well Said, Sir! The Magistrate Dec 2012 #51
I had hoped you'd repost an earlier comment on this subject as an OP. You have done even better. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2012 #55
Amen! Especially your last paragraph. nt raccoon Dec 2012 #58
Of course teaching everyone to be afraid of everyone else is rational. The Doctor. Dec 2012 #61
Situations that make them vunerable? justiceischeap Dec 2012 #62
This entire discussion was started in response to an image AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #72
Perhaps, but the idea behind Schrödinger’s Rapist is not the same Major Nikon Dec 2012 #104
Unfortunately it's also (at least in that poster's context) an exhibition of 'stranger danger'. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #119
"recognize situations that make them vulnerable" means being alone with a man geek tragedy Dec 2012 #84
You might be right Major Nikon Dec 2012 #96
that's why >>>NO ONE EVER SAID THAT <<< bettyellen Dec 2012 #174
He's dead, Jim Major Nikon Dec 2012 #181
HA. Tks! bettyellen Dec 2012 #183
That guy is a "doctor" like I'm Mary Queen of Scots. Quantess Dec 2012 #189
joeyt... so simple. so excellent. thank you. nt seabeyond Dec 2012 #73
Excellent OP! Spazito Dec 2012 #74
This. WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #79
Excellent analysis and a compassionate understanding. Flying Dream Blues Dec 2012 #83
Should I assume (or at least consider) that a concealed gun *could* be pointed at me... Silent3 Dec 2012 #89
That's not how I evaluate risks Major Nikon Dec 2012 #109
If you're talking about risk/cost analysis... Silent3 Dec 2012 #116
So are they Major Nikon Dec 2012 #118
So are they what? Silent3 Dec 2012 #120
I assumed you would Major Nikon Dec 2012 #131
So you want me to do an open-ended search on "risk analysis".... Silent3 Dec 2012 #133
OK, I'll impart some wisdom on you then Major Nikon Dec 2012 #145
Yeah... so? Silent3 Dec 2012 #166
Here's the point Major Nikon Dec 2012 #170
So "Schrödinger’s Rapist" isn't about mere uncertainty... Silent3 Dec 2012 #176
Read into it whatever you want Major Nikon Dec 2012 #179
OH FUCK THIS IS HILARIOUS. "ritual outpouring of emotion and agreement" HA HA HA bettyellen Dec 2012 #185
Here's what else I get out of this as a man Major Nikon Dec 2012 #187
And creepy is how it feels when otherwise good men bettyellen Dec 2012 #190
I've spoken to my wife about it Major Nikon Dec 2012 #191
True, there's a lot of other bad behavior that ain't part of the statistics bettyellen Dec 2012 #196
I think sexual harassment is a solvable problem Major Nikon Dec 2012 #202
Great to hear this! The prick who harassed me was an owner... it was a small and very dysfunctional bettyellen Dec 2012 #205
I freely admit I didn't worry about it much until it happened to my wife Major Nikon Dec 2012 #206
you should be proud! what blows my mind is this kind of thing was run of the mill forty years ago bettyellen Dec 2012 #207
Thank you. BTW, my post above was not meant to tblue37 Dec 2012 #210
MN, you wrote "So are they," tblue37 Dec 2012 #209
By "they" I mean those who are arguing on behalf of Schrödinger’s Rapist Major Nikon Dec 2012 #211
If 25% of all men were gunshot victims, you'd have a point there. In the South Bronx it IS a valid bettyellen Dec 2012 #148
the point of the OP is to increase understanding and empathy for women by explaining a reality bettyellen Dec 2012 #155
If "education" means that empathy is not only needed... Silent3 Dec 2012 #168
What bullshit! NO ONE SAID THAT. bettyellen Dec 2012 #172
Who said anything about empathy for men's feelings? Silent3 Dec 2012 #175
I did, and you did too. LOL. Are you okay? Cause you seem to be hearing things that NO ONE SAID bettyellen Dec 2012 #177
Please point out where I refer to "men's feelings". Silent3 Dec 2012 #178
Hands down the best and least contentious post hifiguy Dec 2012 #110
I think this is correct in our time... kentuck Dec 2012 #129
kick mstinamotorcity2 Dec 2012 #139
Aren't 90% of rapists known to their victims? Nevernose Dec 2012 #149
It's not used to explain strategy - just the common mindset..... bettyellen Dec 2012 #192
Thank you for this thoughtful essay. K&R myrna minx Dec 2012 #151
Excellent post. thucythucy Dec 2012 #162
.. Squinch Dec 2012 #169
You know, like most DU threads this has been both enlightening and disturbing to read Hydra Dec 2012 #171
Disturbing to see so many here angered by the idea of more education and advocacy. WTF, DU, WTFF!?!? bettyellen Dec 2012 #173
I'm not so sure men are your biggest obstacle in this Major Nikon Dec 2012 #180
Great point- I think progressive men should take more of an interest in public education bettyellen Dec 2012 #186
I tried to show my point of view further up and got jumped on Hydra Dec 2012 #188
Thank you. If men object to being Schrodinger's Rapist Warpy Dec 2012 #201
It's true but it is an unecessarily incendiary way to phrase it. Bonobo Dec 2012 #204
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