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In reply to the discussion: A bit about "potential rapists". [View all]geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)123. Viewing men as more likely to rape than women is not prejudice against men.
It's the same as acknowleding that men are more likely to get testicular cancer.
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Awesome analysis. Wish I could rec this thread to the high heavens and hope
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#4
One could feel similar in the hood where I live when a person of color approaches them
The Straight Story
Dec 2012
#5
The stereotype of the thief being a lowlife black or white from a poor socio-economic
Rozlee
Dec 2012
#8
It's the crimes they want us to notice that they go after. Pay no attention to that man behind the
Dark n Stormy Knight
Dec 2012
#56
I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying it's MUCH less likely for a woman
geek tragedy
Dec 2012
#90
PTSD means that your reactions are not necessarily to the present stimulus, but perhaps an earlier
Romulox
Dec 2012
#64
I'm saying that you're taking his PTSD as evidence that everything he says he does...
Moonwalk
Dec 2012
#86
No. I am saying what is in my posts. I will not refute things I didn't say, like "delusional".
Romulox
Dec 2012
#88
YOU mentioned cyclists and salespeople as "threats" on a discussion about *rape*.
Romulox
Dec 2012
#105
You've been attacked by people on bikes, and salespeople? That's who you mentioned as threats.
Romulox
Dec 2012
#93
PTSD doesn't make every perceived threat imaginary, as I'm sure you know.
Dark n Stormy Knight
Dec 2012
#193
He mentions cyclists and salespeople as "threats" in question. I doubt his sincerity. nt
Romulox
Dec 2012
#194
No. I think I understand just what he means. If you can't understand it, consider yourself lucky.
Dark n Stormy Knight
Dec 2012
#195
when a strange man, woman or child approaches me I have no idea whether they are
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#13
well, if white people are more likely to be victims of white people, there you go!
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#30
Oh Jesus, poor oppressed men who whine because women have to live in fear of being raped.
geek tragedy
Dec 2012
#76
Are you really that stupid as to suggest its immoral discrimination to view men as more
geek tragedy
Dec 2012
#82
Well, you're acting like it's discrimination to acknowledge a fact known to every
geek tragedy
Dec 2012
#95
By definition, it is discrimination- "Recognize a distinction; differentiate." n/t
X_Digger
Dec 2012
#99
Arguing whether it's valid or invalid, justifiable or irrational- is another discussion.
X_Digger
Dec 2012
#107
It's good discrimination, based on facts. That makes the comparison to racial discrimination
geek tragedy
Dec 2012
#111
Viewing men as more likely to rape than women is not prejudice against men.
geek tragedy
Dec 2012
#123
Sexist? Sure. (discrimination based on gender) Prejudiced? No, because it's based on reason.
X_Digger
Dec 2012
#127
Oy, if you insist on making sexism a meaningless term, that's your choice.
geek tragedy
Dec 2012
#128
If you said excluding women from testicular cancer screenings was "sexism" in a room
geek tragedy
Dec 2012
#141
You do realize that treating men as more likely to rape is not based on their
geek tragedy
Dec 2012
#157
Sorry that you seem to have worked yourself into a corner, and can't get out without insults. n/t
X_Digger
Dec 2012
#160
I'll stick with my version of reality in which excluding women from testicular cancer
geek tragedy
Dec 2012
#163
in exactly what way are women harming men by being a little wary? a wee ego bruise?
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#52
Your argument is apples and oranges--or are you really going to tell me that a petite woman...
Moonwalk
Dec 2012
#80
It's not based on a Y chromosome--it's based on the actual ability and likelihood of that
geek tragedy
Dec 2012
#113
That wouldn't be an idiotic comparison if only dark-skinned persons were capable
geek tragedy
Dec 2012
#77
No, logical - it's more common with acquaintances because women let their guard down more with them
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#48
what is also toxic is when we SAY education for men ALSO, they HEAR we think they are all rapists...
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#136
I think ground rule #1 is that we all get to make *our own* arguments. I can't answer for others.
Romulox
Dec 2012
#137
I was explaining where the dialog goes wrong. Couldn't tell what part of that post you thought would
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#142
Let's have that conversation. It's needed. Let's allow room for EVERYONE to participate, though.
Romulox
Dec 2012
#146
It IS needed. The Shrodinger's rapist thing is not about the right strategy- it's about explaining
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#152
Yes!!! Exactly why I am saying more education is needed!!! Didn't say it's wisest strategy
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#132
But if this strategy is neither protecting people NOR emotionally satisfying NOR practical...
Romulox
Dec 2012
#135
It's marshaling support because we're put in a position of begging some men for forgiveness
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#138
Honestly, I don't understand your argument. I don't think we are going to have a
Romulox
Dec 2012
#140
I'm talking about how difficult it is to have this conversation with a lot of guys here, not about
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#147
rapists are more often acquaintances, and use social pressure or manipulation to get an "in"
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#50
Similar to the "empathy deficit" thread, in which the OP told half of DU that their feeling don't
Romulox
Dec 2012
#66
This pathological culture is not helping women. That's what you fail to see. NOBODY IS PROTECTED
Romulox
Dec 2012
#65
if I read you wrong I apologize. but the impact on men isn't our #1 concern, and it's a selfish
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#144
oh good lord yes, sooo many posts insisting unless you get the wording *perfect* and make sure
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#167
i call out the self centered ones who are most concerned about their hurt feelings
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#184
I'm not an expert on game theory, but expecting a good outcome, i.e., unknown male is not a rapist
TransitJohn
Dec 2012
#44
If you run that scenario every time you're around a man, eventually it will prove
geek tragedy
Dec 2012
#78
we're expected to be courteous to every single person that tries to threadjack or disrupt, too!
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#47
I had hoped you'd repost an earlier comment on this subject as an OP. You have done even better.
Dark n Stormy Knight
Dec 2012
#55
Unfortunately it's also (at least in that poster's context) an exhibition of 'stranger danger'.
AtheistCrusader
Dec 2012
#119
"recognize situations that make them vulnerable" means being alone with a man
geek tragedy
Dec 2012
#84
Should I assume (or at least consider) that a concealed gun *could* be pointed at me...
Silent3
Dec 2012
#89
OH FUCK THIS IS HILARIOUS. "ritual outpouring of emotion and agreement" HA HA HA
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#185
True, there's a lot of other bad behavior that ain't part of the statistics
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#196
Great to hear this! The prick who harassed me was an owner... it was a small and very dysfunctional
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#205
you should be proud! what blows my mind is this kind of thing was run of the mill forty years ago
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#207
If 25% of all men were gunshot victims, you'd have a point there. In the South Bronx it IS a valid
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#148
the point of the OP is to increase understanding and empathy for women by explaining a reality
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#155
I did, and you did too. LOL. Are you okay? Cause you seem to be hearing things that NO ONE SAID
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#177
You know, like most DU threads this has been both enlightening and disturbing to read
Hydra
Dec 2012
#171
Disturbing to see so many here angered by the idea of more education and advocacy. WTF, DU, WTFF!?!?
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#173
Great point- I think progressive men should take more of an interest in public education
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#186